[kj] OT: Jane's WAS: New October File vid

[Brendan]

Just can't reconcile how a band that could come up with Dream On could
devolve into the band(s) you mentioned, there was a great future ahead of
them by the sounds of it. Suppose they decided selling records and living
the lifestyle was the top priority. Shame, some bands like Led Zep managed
both...being awesome yet still selling billions of records and living the
lifestyle. Would have thought Aerosmith would have had it in them to do
the same (although not to the same level). Maybe they did more drugs...but
by the looks of late model Jimmy Page...maybe not. His transformation from
rock god in the 70s to bony junkie in the 80s was pretty dramatic. Bet
there was an inverse relationship between the smack and the hot groupies
too...

Disappointing the course some bands decide to take. Like nickleback...the
guy has a good, distincitive voice and the band seem fine, they just play
such unadulterated shit, constantly harping on about their sappy
emasculated feelings, in every single song. Perhaps the guy would have
more luck in love if he wasn't such a soppy girl.

Waste of talent. must be a case of power corrupting. 10 000 000 adoring
fans and all the money and attention must be worth more to some than 1 000
000 true fans and...fuck all money ;)


> As far as I'm concerned, there are really TWO Aerosmiths -- the band

> of the `70's, who were tirelessly obnoxious, drunken, druggy cut-

> throats who wrote great tunes like "Back In The Saddle," "Mama Kin"

> and "Toys in the Attic" -- and then there was the newly clean 'n'

> sober Aerosmith circa PERMANENT VACATION and beyond, who wrote hi-

> gloss sports bar jukebox fare and mawkish ballads for big budget

> Hollywood films. Suffice to say, the awfulness of the latter almost

> negates the greatness of the former.

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

>

> On Oct 9, 2007, at 6:51 PM, Brendan wrote:

>

>> Haha...nothing says LA rock MORE to me than late model aerosmith, I

>> had a

>> feeling I'd get their origins wrong though. It's just the lipstick,

>> teased

>> hairspprayed hair, jewelry, flamboyant clothes, faux gay androgny

>> etc that

>> reeks LA rock to me...

>>

>> Eddie Vedder is from LA but became a 'Seattle' icon when he moved

>> up to

>> audition for PJ in 91, and got onto Temple of the Dog after a hand

>> up from

>> Chris.

>>

>> And if I can get away with those arguments then I'm gonna become a

>> lawyer...

>>

>>> :::breathing measuredly:::

>>>

>>> Aerosmith are not "LA Glam Metal" either. They certainly INSPIRED

>>> that scene, but they pre-date it by about fifteen years.

>>>

>>> And they're from fuckin' BOSTON. And if you liked "Dream On" (deathly

>>> overplayed, if you ask me), seek ye "Seasons of Wither" from their

>>> debut album. And they had scores of great songs PRIOR to their late

>>> 80's high gloss makeover.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Alex in NYC

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> On Oct 9, 2007, at 4:13 PM, Brendan wrote:

>>>

>>>> Okay, I took the bait and agreed that Jane's addiction suck,

>>>> perhaps not

>>>> because they are LA glam metal (and I know all that stuff

>>>> too...was a

>>>> massive WASP fan in particular), but...dunno. Something about them

>>>> just

>>>> annoys me. Perhaps it's the adulation they got that overshadowed

>>>> other

>>>> bands that I thought were far more deserving...

>>>>

>>>> Saying something is just 'LA rock' or whatever isn't really a fair

>>>> criticism...even though I'm not really into that sound. Motley Crue

>>>> etc

>>>> suck shit IMO, but not because they are LA glam metal or anything.

>>>>

>>>> There's still some gems in that genre...Dream On by Aerosmith I

>>>> rate as a

>>>> classic...most of the rest of their stuff seemed to be crowd

>>>> pleasing pap,

>>>> Dream On to me is a hint of what they could have become if they had

>>>> ditched the circus sideshow and decided to make EPIC FUCKING

>>>> MUSIC :).

>>>> Tyler's voice was legendary, until he screamed it to death.

>>>>

>>>> GNR, well I'll agree to disagree, but I'll never have a fair

>>>> perspective

>>>> because they 'groundbreaking' (for me) band that I was contemporary

>>>> with

>>>> when I was rebelling at 13...

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Sorry, as I struggle to get out of needlessly argumentative

>>>>> mode, but

>>>>> Jane's Addiction may not have been your particular cup of tea, but

>>>>> calling them "LA Glam Metal" is just incorrect. Speaking as someone

>>>>> who owned his fair share of albums from that scene (Ratt, Motley

>>>>> Crue, Quiet Riot, Lita Ford, Faster Pussycat, W.A.S.P, etc.), I can

>>>>> very authoritatively say that they sounded NOTHING like those

>>>>> bands.

>>>>>

>>>>> Guns N' Roses, on the other hand, WERE crappy LA Glam Metal. Why

>>>>> people treat them with undue reverence as being anything OTHER

>>>>> than a

>>>>> LA Metal band has always confounded me.

>>>>>

>>>>> Again, I'm not saying Jane's Addiction were God's fucking gift, but

>>>>> they weren't an LA Glam metal band.

>>>>>

>>>>> Rant over.

>>>>>

>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> On Oct 9, 2007, at 3:48 PM, Alexander Smith wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> You guys obviously don't know jack about LA Glam metal.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> On Oct 9, 2007, at 3:46 PM, Brendan wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Jane's Addiction were LA Glam metal with dreads.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> TESTIFY! God I thought it was just me...

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Yeah, Quicksand were an awesome band. I was lucky enough to get

>>>>>>>> to see

>>>>>>>> them when they got back together in 1998 to tour with

>>>>>>>> Deftones. I

>>>>>>>> also

>>>>>>>> really liked Walter's band Rival Schools which lasted from

>>>>>>>> around

>>>>>>>> 2000 -

>>>>>>>> 2003 or so. Similiar to Quicksand. His most recent band -

>>>>>>>> Walking

>>>>>>>> Concert

>>>>>>>> (who may or may not even be active anymore, I'm not sure) are

>>>>>>>> not

>>>>>>>> my cup

>>>>>>>> of tea. Way to indie-rock sounding.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Jane's Addiction were LA Glam metal with dreads.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Leigh

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----

>>>>>>>> From: B. Oliver Sheppard <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>

>>>>>>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>>>>>>> <gathering at misera.net>

>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2007 9:40:40 AM

>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] New October File vid, from upcoming LP - on

>>>>>>>> second

>>>>>>>> though, don't it sound like Quicksand?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On second thought, this new October File song sounds a bit like

>>>>>>>> QUICKSAND. ANyone remember them? Early 90s post-hardcore band

>>>>>>>> in the

>>>>>>>> vein of Fugazi and Seaweed, good stuff, sometimes great, for

>>>>>>>> some

>>>>>>>> reason

>>>>>>>> never captured as much success as they should have:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjBSXFPDI-A

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Good stuff! I often heard it weirdly said, when unknowing folks

>>>>>>>> heard

>>>>>>>> Quicksand back in the day, "Hey, that sounds like Tool!" But

>>>>>>>> Quicksand

>>>>>>>> had zero to do with Tool; Quicksand came out of the East Coast

>>>>>>>> New York

>>>>>>>> Hardcore scene but sounded more like Fugazi w/ maybe Jane's

>>>>>>>> Addiction

>>>>>>>> for vocals. Good formula for success -- but they got none. And

>>>>>>>> they may

>>>>>>>> have started out before Tool, at least as early as 1990.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> -Oliver

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:

>>>>>>>>> October File new song: "Another Day"  (hmm..."A New Day,"

>>>>>>>>> anyone?)

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> New video:

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_uT4GR6s0g

>>>>>>>>

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