[kj] back to oil!!!

[Mister Black]

Yes there are terror groups in both Saudi and Egypt , this is why the U.S Government supports the Governments of these Countries, because Saudi and Egypt are both fighting against these terror groups . You seem to be avoiding the fact that the reason for the second gulf war was that Saddam didn't allow the weapons inspectors full access , everything else is besides the point .
  The U.N. is corrupt to the core anyway , have you seen how it conducts itself in Africa?
WMB's typically refer to Nuclear Weapons , although you alledge that some countries have non nuke WMD's , could you be more specific and name what countries have what non nuke WMD.s, otherwise your statement comes across as just being hot air




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Message Received: Jul 21 2007, 02:35 PM
From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" 
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
Cc: 
Subject: Re: [kj] back to oil!!!

Here we go....

Mister Black wrote:
"You seem to be saying that because the 9/11 attackers came from Saudi 
and Egypt , then that must mean that these Countries are supporters of 
terrorism , that is incorrect ."


ME: No, I am saying that the Bush administration's early attempts to tie 
Iraq to 9/11 are ridiculous and further show what a sham this Iraq 
misadventure has been. After 9/11 Bush announced the Axis of Evil -- 
Iraq, Iran, and N. Korea -- none of whom produced 9/11 hijackers! The 
governments of Egypt and the theocratic monarchy of Saudi Arabia do not 
formally support terrorism, and those governments did not produce the 
hijackers, but there are large parties and organizations in Egypt that 
support such acts. The WTC bombing of '93 was masterminded by Egyptian, 
for instance. Not Iraqis or Iranians r, for God's sake, North Koreans. 
But -- off we go to Iraq!

Tying 9/11 to Iraq was a HUGE effort the Bush PR machine engaged in. I 
guess the infamous US amnesia has kicked in and no one remembers that, 
with Colin Powell embarrassingly at the UN with his pointing stick and 
diagrams of tanker trucks he just KNEW had WMDs in them. That was a real 
low moment for the US on the world stage.

Mr. Black wrote:
"You also say that Iran and North Korea have WMD's and this is the 
reason why they weren't invaded. Your point has no merit because neither 
Iran or North Korea have Nuclear Weapons , so your point about Countries 
that have nuclear weapons wont be invaded is invalid ."

ME: WMDs include more than nukes. WMDs are weapons that cause massive 
destruction, and including plenty of things besides nuclear devices. The 
US knows of plenty of countries that defy the UN and who have these. But 
the US does not invade them. Iraq, a country massively weakened after 
about 13 years of crippling sanctions that mostly hurt the poor and not 
Saddam, was a "crappy little country" (Ledeen) that could be slammed 
against the wall as a show of force to surrounding Mid Eastern 
neighbors, though Bush tried desparately to tie it someway to Al Qaeda, 
even when bin Laden had issued threats against Saddam a few years 
earlier because Saddam was a secular dictator who had Catholics in his 
cabinet (Tariq Aziz) and tolerated other religious denominations. Saddam 
was a thug, but a secular thug. Not good enough for bin Laden, who 
wanted the return of a Sunni (non-Shi'a) Islamic Caliphate there. Saddam 
and bin Laden hated each other. At the height of the Bush admin's 
hysteria in trying to whip the US public into a war frenzy before March, 
2003, Colin Powell, Cheney, and others claimed Iraq had nukes. They must 
be psychic, to know that, when weapons inspectors found no such thing.

So the US invaded because Iraq cancelled weapons inspections, I guess, 
because the US alone has the power to enforce UN mandates? So if a UN 
resolution is made against the US, other countries have a right on their 
to come over and invade the US, to enforce it? Right. Such things 
require UN Security Council approval. The US never got that, and for 
good reason. Why? Because Bush's war-mongering PR campaign was full of shit.

-Oliver
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