[kj] Vinyl mastering?

[Christof hamille]

sure but vinyl has a 70+ year start



>From: Michael Halsted <halsted at ilm.com>

>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the 

>band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 

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>Subject: Re: [kj] Vinyl mastering?

>Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:48:42 -0700

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>in landfills?  Probably LP's but I would almost want to say CD/DVD's.

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>Especially with people burning CD-R's and DVD-R's, failure rates and

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>it's size.  I see more people at work giving away their vinyl rather

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>than throwing it away.  Obviously that's only anecdotal but I'd hope

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>it's indicative.  Then there's all the jewel cases.  The tab that

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>holds the hinge breaks, you chuck it and get a new one - and those

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>tabs break A LOT.  If it's a race, CD/DVD's are running a bit quicker

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>these days since most vinyl is small batch / limited edition stuff that

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>people hold on to.

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>michael

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>Christof hamille wrote:

>Uh no.

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>You're wrong.

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>The materials used to create vinyl is a form of PVC.  Sometimes the

>plastic is recycled UNLESS it is virgin vinyl.  Which means it is brand

>new plastic.  It is known that it takes more energy/fossil fuels to

>create vinyl.  One of many reasons why CDs are significantly cheaper.

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>As far as playing them on your system was not the debate.  And what do

>you think is taking up more space in a landfill?

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>Chris

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>   From: Change

><crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>

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>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

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>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

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>Subject: Re: [kj] Vinyl mastering?

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>Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:17:46 +0100 (BST)

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>Rubbish argument!

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>CDs use way more electricity to spin than a record

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>player so are less environmentally friendly!

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>--- Christof hamille <wessidetempest at hotmail.com>

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> > And to add to that it is a bit ironic that all of

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> > the stinky/hippy punk kids

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> > insist on vinyl.  It cost more to produce, creates

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> > more waste on the

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> > production side and uses petrol.  The blood of the

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> > government.

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> > I still buy vinyl

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> > Chris

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> > >From: "Christof hamille"

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> > <wessidetempest at hotmail.com>

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> > >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke

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> > (the

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> > >band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

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> > >To: gathering at misera.net

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> > >Subject: Re: [kj] Vinyl mastering?

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> > >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:22:22 -0500

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> > >Vinyl is not cheap.  No matter how it is done.  In

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> > theory what should

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> > >happen is mastering should be done for each media

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> > it is going on (vinyl,

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> > >cd, cassette/8-track {even though technically it

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> > should be mastered

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> > >differently}, and digital).

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> > >With the exception of the stereophiles (ala the

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> > Steve Albini types) people

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> > >will master to CD and adjust the levels for vinyl.

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> > Sometimes it works but

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> > >typically there is little difference and that is a

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> > shame.  I am not going

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> > >to argue which one is better because I don't care.

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> > They are just different

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> > >mediums taht have different results.

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> > >I guess you can say it is like drinking wine or

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> > beer or liquor.  The end

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> > >result is getting drunk. But each one goes down

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> > (and sometimes backup)

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> > >differently.

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> > >Chris

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> > >>From: "death wish" <dwish2000 at hotmail.com>

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> > >>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke

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> > >>band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

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> > >>To: gathering at misera.net

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> > >>Subject: Re: [kj] Vinyl mastering?

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> > >>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:52:53 +0000

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> > >>Since vinyl is a boutique item nowadays, is it a

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> > given that a vinyl

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> > >>pressing is mastered using the same standards from

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> > back in the days when

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> > >>vinyl was dominant? Or, is it possible that some

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> > stuff is being slapped on

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> > >>vinyl, with the audio actually being lifted from

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> > (and therefore really no

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> > >>better than) cd?

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> > >>I don't really know anything about the differences

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> > in the cd and

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> > >>vinyl-mastering processes. I'm wondering what sort

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> > of cost-saving

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> > >>corner-cutting is being done, if any.

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> > >>Anyone?

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> > >>T.

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> > >>>From: "Tim Bucknall"

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> > <tim.bucknall at googlemail.com>

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> > >>>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke

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> > >>>band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

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> > >>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

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> > band!)"

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> > >>><gathering at misera.net>

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> > >>>Subject: Re: [kj] Vinyl

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> > >>>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:19:02 +0100

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> > >>>theres been a few audiophile Vinyl releases for

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> > the pistols lately

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> > >>>i can recommend one called "the complete burton

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> > on trent recordings" on

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> > >>>the

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> > >>>"get back" label from Italy

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> > >>>it completely  beats every other cd of that show

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> > even the cd version of

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> > >>>the

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> > >>>same title (LOL!)

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> > >>>thats partly just because of the lack of care

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> > taken over the cd issues

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> > >>>of

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> > >>>the show admittedly

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> > >>>, but the fact remains the vinyl version trashes

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> > all the 50 billion cd

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> > >>>issues i've waded through over the years

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> > >>>its that really good quality thick heavy virgin

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> > vinyl too, none of that

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> > >>>horrible  thin treble-heavy scratchy vinyl  that

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> > some modern releases

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> > >>>have

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> > >>>

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> > >>>even on a cheap-ass player its an amazing sound

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> > >>>also worth mentioning- whoever mastered it took

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> > the time to correct the

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> > >>>speed of the masters, which seldom happens with

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> > Pistols releases

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> > >>>

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> > >>>if the extremities vinyl re-issue is done as good

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> > as this i'll be  over

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> > >>>the

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> > >>>moon

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> > >>>

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> > >>>On 11/07/07, folk devil

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> > <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com> wrote:

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> > >>>>Rave died in about 96, it's neo-rave now mate ;)

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> > >>>>What's the quality of these records you're

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> > buying, out of curiosity??

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> > >>>>BTW I DO prefer vinyl.

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> > >>>>

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> > >>>> >From: "B. Oliver Sheppard"

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> > <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>

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> > >>>> >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing

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> > >>>> >band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

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> > >>>> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke

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> > >>>> ><gathering at misera.net>

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> > >>>> >Subject: Re: [kj] Vinyl

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> > >>>> >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:55:49 -0500

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> > >>>> >

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> > >>>> >I guess this depends on what kind of music

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> > you're interested in. I

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> > >>>>have

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> > >>>> >zero interest in rave and couldn't tell you a

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> > thing about it. Mostly I

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> > >>>>like

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> > >>>> >hardcore/punk and pretty much any band worth

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> > its salt in that genre

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> > >>>>makes

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> > >>>> >releases on vinyl; for ex. Austin punk label

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> > Hardcore Holocaust:

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> > >>>> >http://www.hardcoreholocaust.com -- or Prank

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> > records:

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> > >>>> >http://www.prankrecords.com, just two among

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> > many I can think of. The

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> > >>>>older

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> > >>>> >labels like Dischord and Touch & Go,

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> > have moved away from punk,

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> > >>>> >still release in vinyl, and always have.

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> > >>>> >-Oliver

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> > >>>> >folk devil wrote:

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> > >>>> >>Vinyl had a renaissance during rave...the

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> > late 80s thru the mid-90s

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> > >>>>was

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> > >>>>a

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> > >>>> >>boomtime. However, many labels no longer

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> > release it, and there isn't

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> > >>>> >>really much audiophile [virgin] vinyl

>around

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> > today. I still release

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> > >>>>on

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> > >>>>it

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> > >>>> >>myself, but am seriously considering

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> > releasing CD only from now on,

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> > >>>>the

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> > >>>> >>sale of which is dying out itself due to

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> > downloading.

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> > >>>> >>Back to Greenpeace: With the setting up

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> > the Stockholm Convention

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> > >>>>and

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> > >>>> >>with the UN banning dioxins will

>inevitably

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> > make vinyl production

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> > >>>>very

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> > >>>> >>difficult.

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