[kj] An Olive Branch for Olive-r

[Alexander Smith]

And regarding the Killers -- sweet shiny Jesus are those guys  
assholes (talk about hair crimes!)

For a start, you should acquaint yourself with their second album  
(which largely abandons their "new wavey" sound for a ham-fisted  
appropriation hoarily overblown Bruce Springsteenisms). Couple this  
with the fact that Brandon Flowers (the Killers' lead singer) is an  
outspoken shit-talker and flagrant FLAG WAVER (rah! rah! team America!)

Seriously, folks -- if there're two things we can ALL agree on ---  
shouldn't they be that (a) despite however nice a guy he may be --  
Bruce Springsteen's music is whole-heartedly indefensible and (b)  
anyone who defends America's current place in the world (as helmed by  
the Bush administration) is a FUCKING JERKOFF.

Alex in NYC




On Feb 27, 2007, at 8:00 PM, GREG SLAWSON wrote:


> I'm struggling to find ANY influence of the Buzzcocks on Nirvana-- 

> the latter sound like 70s or 80s commercial metal to me, and  

> Soundgarden sounds like AWFUL 70s/80s hard rock/metal. At least the  

> Killers have a sort of new-wavey, 80s sound. In a million years I  

> can not see anything likeable about Soundgarbage, but then again I  

> also hate Led Zepelin, Punk Floyd, and Aerosmith.

>

>

> From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

> Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the  

> band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"  

> <gathering at misera.net>

> Subject: Re: [kj] An Olive Branch for Olive-r

> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:35:17 -0500

>

>

>

> Hang on a minute -- you're bashing Soundgarden but championing the  

> Killers?? You need help, my friend.

>

> My biggest problem with Nirvana (and I have a few) has more to do  

> with people thinking that they'd invented the fucking wheel, when  

> in actual fact, all they were really doing was ripping off a dozen  

> bands that had come well before them -- from the Buzzcocks and  

> Black Flag through the Melvins and --- WAIT FOR IT --- Killing  

> Joke. I hate these fucking crap "documentaries" about Punk that  

> talk about the era of the Pistols and The Ramones and the Clash and  

> then skip right over to the early 90's with Nirvana -- pretty much  

> insinuating the ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HAPPENED in the ensuing fucking  

> decade between them.

>

> People suck.

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

> On Feb 27, 2007, at 6:02 PM, GREG SLAWSON wrote:

>

> It's good to hear others talk about Nirvana as being the death of  

> punk. Now it all makes sense--mainly because they sucked so much,  

> and really sounded like a metal band, but got labeled punk,  

> alternative, etc. Then we had to listed to over a decade of bands-- 

> Suckgarden, Mudhoney, Pearl Scam, Smashing Pumkins, etc etc--that  

> sounded pretty much like mainstream rock, but everyone said they  

> were somehow carrying on the punk tradition. Finally some popular  

> bands are returning to a bit more garage sound (Killers, Yeah Yeah  

> Yeah, Artic Monkeys, etc) and are at least tolerable...

>

>

> From:  "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>

> Reply-To:  "A list about all things Killing Joke (the  

> band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

> To:  Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>, "A list about all things  

> Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>

> Subject:  Re: [kj] An Olive Branch for Olive-r

> Date:  Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:56:35 -0600

> >Thanks for writing that. And, absolutely -- it isn't fun to be

> >bitchy, honestly. I guess I got into punk about a decade after you

> >did, and even then not into Killing Joke except for a few years ago,

> >though I had of course heard the name zillions of times. I'm getting

> >to the age where I also am beginning to feel like an "old man" (I'm

> >32) and I get cranky as well. I apologize for the nastiness.

> >

> >I love all the bands you mentioned, too. And obviously Killing Joke,

> >who are a band I appreciate more as I get older. I also wore Bauhaus

> >t-shirts in junior high ('89 - '90 -- I even still have a few), the

> >era I call B.N. (Before Nirvana -- because after Nirvana in '92 or

> >so -- sort of the 9/11 for punk, I think, even if Nirvana weren't a

> >punk band, no matter what t-shirts they wore -- everything changed

> >and suddenly the same jocks who wanted to beat you up after school

> >for wearing black, wanted to "mosh" and go to shows and see punk

> >bands). I dyed my hair black (still do) though I never had the balls

> >to try a devillock; I had that skater haircut where the side is

> >shaved but your bangs  hang in your face over one eye -- "the skater

> >flop," or whatever. That seems to be coming back. And I loved the

> >hell out of Vision Street Wear clothing, especially the shoes. I

> >can't help but notice these kinds of accouterments that come with

> >musical culture! (Hair, dress, etc.)  In the 80s it seemed punk and

> >skateboarding were very entangled, and that was the stew I came out

> >of.

> >

> >Yes, you know your musical shit, too. The back-and-forth and tit for

> >tat between us I don't get off on a bit. If it helps any, I also

> >sort of want kids to get off my lawn these days. So, in short -- my

> >apologies as well. I fuck up and make mistakes. I've been an arse,

> >and I shouldn't have been.

> >

> >By the way, those are cool pics and I'm jealous you were there!

> >

> >

> >-Oliver

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Alex Smith wrote:

> >>Fair enough, Oliver -- I have been being needlessly nitpicky with

> >>you lately, and I apologize. I'm under a bit of presure these days

> >>(lots of layoffs where I work), and that's manifesting itself by

> >>making me needlessly argumentative.

> >>

> >>I know you didn't invent the term "hair metal" (or "crust" or

> >>"punk" or "hardcore" or "thrash" or "goth" or "shoegazer" or "DC

> >>hardcore" or "NYHC" or "Britpop" or "Darkwave" or "post-Punk" etc.

> >>etc. etc. ad nauseum), but I bristle at the abuse of these terms

> >>(seek ye "This Is Pop!" from XTC's first album, WHITE MUSIC).

> >>

> >>Sure, this band or that band may have a lot of hair and wear it in

> >>silly ways (on their face, even!) -- but I don't know about you, I

> >>can't seem to hear their hair when I'm listening to the music.  I

> >>know the tonsorial/sartorial trappings of certain genres of music

> >>act as cultural identifiers, but they're just appetizer. The music

> >>and the messages contained therein are the real meat of the matter

> >>(or, to bludgeon this culinary analogy into the ground, "the

> >>entree").

> >>

> >>

> >

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