[kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA

[Alexander Smith]

Superjoint Ritual is largely Phil "Pantera" Anselmo's band.

Alex in NYC


On Feb 26, 2007, at 8:59 PM, GREG SLAWSON wrote:


> Oliver, you gotta watch the filmaker commentary (special features).  

> They said the reason the DKs and Misfits weren't mentioned was  

> "legal reasons",and they seemed to have no bone w/either band. In  

> fact, they mentioned all the stuff w/Misfits logos in the  

> background during the interviews. Again, the Misfits to me always  

> sounded more classic punk. They also probably shoulda mentioned  

> Social Distortion, maybe as a band who started in the scene and  

> later "made it". Also, NOFX, who started out around 1984 as a  

> thrash/hardcore band.

>

> P.S. Anyone heard the band Superjoint Revival (I think)--w/Hank  

> Williams III? I wonder how they sound.

>

>

> From:  "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>

> Reply-To:  "A list about all things Killing Joke (the  

> band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

> To:  "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"  

> <gathering at misera.net>

> Subject:  Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA

> Date:  Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:20:25 -0600

> >

> >

> >Actually, a member of The Replacements was interviewed in the  

> American

> >Hardcore documentary (briefly) saying that in effect he felt the

> >Replacements' stuff approached hardcore, but wasn't quite a part  

> of the

> >hardcore scene the movie talks about.

> >

> >I think Jello's non-appearance is because of what someone (Alex?)  

> said

> >-- his reluctance to be involved with stuff like this nowadays, esp.

> >since the, uh, "Dead Kennedys" have re-formed without him -- yes,  

> with a

> >new singer, like the Newfits -- and it might've meant

> >commiserating/dealing with, or reminiscing about, his old DK  

> "buddies,"

> >from whom he's bitterly estranged now. Bobby Steele, who was  

> technically

> >briefly a member of the '77-'83 Misfits lineup is also interviewed in

> >_American Hardcore_ several times, but he's credited not as a  

> Misfit but

> >as a member of of his own band, NY's Undead, the band he's better  

> known

> >for anyway. Steele doesn't discuss the Misfits at all. I have heard a

> >live recording of The Misfits from 1981 or so where Danzig throws a

> >tantrum on stage, into the mic, and goes on about how their ex- 

> guitarist

> >Bobby Steele sucks and so does his new band, The Undead.

> >

> >The major coup for the documentary was getting Ian MacKaye to

> >participate at all; he is also notoriously pee-shy about stuff  

> like this

> >-- esp. considering this is a Sony Pictures Classics release. Ian  

> would

> >not let Rhino, for example, use Minor Threat tracks for their  

> "Faster &

> >Louder" hc punk anthology from the early 90s, seen by many as a

> >definitive (though not exhaustive) document for the '80 - '84 US  

> HC era.

> >That was a major blow to Rhino's compilation, which wanted to be the

> >"Nuggets" of US hardcore, and it even had GG Allin on it -- who is  

> also

> >not mentioned in American Hardcore, either, now that I think about  

> it.

> >

> >Still, the Misfits were in the trenches playing right along with the

> >Necros, Poison Idea, & Negative Approach in the early 80s -- and all

> >those were bands covered in this documentary. The documentary isn't

> >perfect but I'll admit it also isn't bad. But not covering the Dead

> >Kennedys and/or the Misfits in barely any form makes it way less

> >complete than it'd ideally be. I mean, the DK's were hugely  

> responsible

> >for forging a definite, striking, political direction for hardcore in

> >those days, and they had the obscenity trials in '86, etc.

> >

> >-Oliver

> >

> >

> >

> >GREG SLAWSON wrote:

> > >

> > > I think American Hardocre was trying to stick w/bands that were  

> truly

> > > undergound--Maybe the DKs were too big, and Misfits were more like

> > > old-school British punk...Notice that Husker Du, Meat Puppets, and

> > > Replacements were also not featured...

> > >

> >

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