[kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA

Alex Smith vassifer at earthlink.net
Fri Feb 23 16:53:19 EST 2007



Speaking of India and metal, it seems Iron Maiden are going to be playing there in Bangalore this summer -- allegedly the first Western Metal band to do so.

Up the Irons.

Alex in NYC



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>From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net

>Sent: Feb 23, 2007 4:24 PM

>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>

>Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA

>

>You probably heard about their recent LP _Christ Illusion_ getting "banned" in India by Xtian groups? (Recalled by label and pulled from shelves after religious pressure.)

>

>http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003223377

>

>-Oliver

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>----- Original Message ----

>From: Leigh Newton <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com>

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

>Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 12:21:21 PM

>Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA

>

>Like i said, i love South Of Heaven. I think that and Reign in Blood are Slayer's only essential albums. Good songs exist here and there on the other releases.

>

>----- Original Message ----

>From: peter muckle <pmuckle00 at hotmail.com>

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 4:33:08 AM

>Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA

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>

>Yeah have to agree Slayer did slow down, but it was still listenable unlike

>other bands

>

>

>>From: Leigh Newton <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com>

>>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>>band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>><gathering at misera.net>

>>Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA

>>Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:26:21 -0800 (PST)

>>

>>I think Slayer going from the breakneck, unrelenting thrash metal of Reign

>>in Blood to the slowed down, creepy melodicism of South of Heaven was a

>>pretty gutsy about-face. Probably the only ballsy move they've ever made,

>>artistically speaking. The backlash was so bad that, since then, they've

>>pretty much been giving the fans exactly what they want. Too bad cuz i

>>think South of Heaven is incredible. Who would think that thrashmetalheads

>>in 1988 would be so single-minded? Hmm...

>>

>>

>>

>>----- Original Message ----

>>From: peter muckle <pmuckle00 at hotmail.com>

>>To: vassifer at earthlink.net

>>Cc: gathering at misera.net

>>Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 6:19:09 PM

>>Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA

>>

>>

>>I have to agree with you, Outside the Gate was a drastic change.

>>Does anyone know of any similar band having such a drastic change or will

>>this go down as a record breaking event.

>>

>>Pete

>>

>>

>> >From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

>> >Reply-To: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>,"A list about all things

>> >Killing Joke (the band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

>> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>> ><gathering at misera.net>, "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>>band!)"

>> ><gathering at misera.net>

>> >Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS and PHANTASMAGORIA

>> >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:55:52 -0500 (EST)

>> >

>> >

>> >I don't remember being as crushed by hearing "Grimly Fiendish" by the

>> >Damned as I was when I first heard "Adorations" by the `Joke, but then --

>>I

>> >was always *way* more into the `Joke. Still not a fan of that single.

>>When

>> >the album came out, there were at least a few tracks with oomph to them

>> >(notably "Chessboards" and "Rubicon") and its aged fairly well, I'd say,

>> >but it's never been one of my favorites.

>> >

>> >That all said, *ABSOLUTELY NOTHING* can compare to the jaw-dropping

>> >disbelief and abject disapointment I felt when I first heard "America"

>>(to

>> >say nothing of the rest of the album that spawned it).

>> >

>> >Alex in NYC

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >-----Original Message-----

>> > >From: gingoblin at easynet.co.uk

>> > >Sent: Feb 22, 2007 4:36 PM

>> > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>> ><gathering at misera.net>

>> > >Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS and PHANTASMAGORIA

>> > >

>> > >Indeed, and an era for both bands that I now look back on and think

>>"hmm,

>> > >not the best really, no matter how hard I tried to convince myself

>> > >otherwise at the time"! Actually, wasn't keen on 1000 Suns when it

>>came

>> > >out either (and no, let's not start that one again!)

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >At 20:39 22/02/2007 +0000, you wrote:

>> > >>This was a new chapter for the damned, similar to the Killing Joke era

>> >of

>> > >>1000 Suns.

>> > >>

>> > >>

>> > >> >From: "Jerry Butson" <jerry at fleamusic.com>

>> > >> >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>> > >> >band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

>> > >> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>> > >> ><gathering at misera.net>

>> > >> >Subject: Re: [kj] OT: in Defense of PHANTASMAGORIA by the Damned

>> > >> >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:50:52 +0000

>> > >> >

>> > >> >My vote for one of the Damned's finest vinyl moments goes to he 12"

>> >version

>> > >> >of Alone Again Or in its breakneck speed, edited

>> > >> >on-the-fly-with-a-pair-of-rusty-scissors version...fantastic!

>> > >> >

>> > >> >On 22/02/07, gingoblin at easynet.co.uk <gingoblin at easynet.co.uk>

>>wrote:

>> > >> >>

>> > >> >>Yeah, I do kinda enjoy Phantasmagoria the very few times I play it

>> >these

>> > >> >>days, but after all these years I've realised for it to REALLY be

>>the

>> > >> >>Damned, it needs Vanian/Scabies/Sensible. They've had their moments

>> >with

>> > >> >>the different line-ups, but nothing even comes close to the amazing

>> >stuff

>> > >> >>of the earlier years. I remember hearing a comp CD in some pub...

>> >it was

>> > >> >>absolute genius right up to Grimly Fiendish coming on, when I

>>wished

>> >it

>> > >> >>would just end. Kinda summed it up for me.

>> > >> >>As for their "image"... as Scabies said, Vanian could dress as a

>> >binman

>> > >> >>and

>> > >> >>still look good, while he himself could put on the finest clothes

>>and

>> > >> >>still

>> > >> >>be a mess!!

>> > >> >>Must admit, can't stand Eloise... though that's possibly from it

>> >being the

>> > >> >>"hit" and having heard it way too often over the years. The current

>> > >> >>line-up

>> > >> >>do the best version so far, but could still do without it!

>> > >> >>Oh, and the Five Foot One thing... I came out and directly asked

>>them

>> > >> >>around that time, and they didn't own up! I recall asking Rat if

>> >covering

>> > >> >>Five Foot One had anything to do with Vanian's height (to which he

>> >replied

>> > >> >>"oh, I wouldn't say that to him"!!). Ah, my ever-tactful youth!

>> > >> >>

>> > >> >>Dave in Edinburgh

>> > >> >>

>> > >> >>

>> > >> >>

>> > >> >>

>> > >> >>

>> > >> >>At 09:15 21/02/2007 -0500, you wrote:

>> > >> >>

>> > >> >> >Just a few words in defense of PHANTASMAGORIA. I was shocked as

>> >everyone

>> > >> >> >else at said album's comparatively gloppy overproduction. Despite

>> >the

>> > >> >> >funereal trappings, it owed more to the likes of Meat Loaf and

>> >Bonnie

>> > >> >> >Tyler than it did to any Goth making the `rounds at the time (by

>> > >> >> >comparison, the Sisters of Mercy sound like the Ramones). That

>> >said,

>> > >> >>there

>> > >> >> >were still some fine moments of pure pop on it (notably "Street

>>of

>> > >> >>Dreams"

>> > >> >> >and "Grimly Fiendish", although "Is It A Dream?" is just crap

>> >across the

>> > >> >> >board). I'm also a big fan of the non-album single "Eloise,"

>> >another

>> > >> >> >hoarily windswept and overproduced gem. Was in Punk? Not

>> >especially, but

>> > >> >> >who cares?

>> > >> >> >

>> > >> >> >As a college freshman in 1985 out in the bowels of Ohio, I

>>remember

>> > >> >> >packing into a crowded station wagon to drive across scary,

>> > >> >>backwoods-ass

>> > >> >> >Midwestern pigfuck country to Kentucky to catch the Damned on the

>> > >> >> >PHANTASMAGORIA tour (which, for some reason, bypassed the nearest

>> >city

>> > >> >>to

>> > >> >> >our school, Columbus). As over-the-top as their image and

>>aesthetic

>> >had

>> > >> >> >become (Hammer horror films, candelabras, graveyard shtick), they

>> >were

>> > >> >>as

>> > >> >> >full-on live as can be imagined (and yes -- quite definably PUNK

>>in

>> > >> >>every

>> > >> >> >semblance of the term).

>> > >> >> >

>> > >> >> >I've grown to quite like the PHANTASMAGORIA album as a result.

>> >There are

>> > >> >> >some great moments on ANYTHING as well (notably their cover of

>> >"Alone

>> > >> >> >Again Or" and the title track, which is essentialy a

>> >wafer-thin-re-write

>> > >> >> >of Iggy Pops "Five Foot One"). I saw them again with Brian James

>>et

>> >al.

>> > >> >>on

>> > >> >> >the tour that resulted in the FINAL DAMNATION tour (`90 or so?)

>>at

>> >the

>> > >> >>New

>> > >> >> >Ritz, and they were endearingly shambollic. The last time I saw

>> >them was

>> > >> >> >in the mid-90's at since-shuttered Coney Island High. I don't

>> >believe

>> > >> >>Rat

>> > >> >> >was in attendance, but Dave was there in all his ridiculous

>>glory.

>> >It

>> > >> >>was

>> > >> >> >fun to see them, but it wasn't really "the Damned" as I'd grown

>>to

>> >love.

>> > >> >> >

>> > >> >> >I haven't picked up a new album/single of theirs since I can't

>> >remember

>> > >> >> >when, honestly. But I listened to a clutch of Damned tracks on my

>> >walk

>> > >> >>to

>> > >> >> >work this morning, and the mere fact that their catalog stretches

>> >from

>> > >> >>the

>> > >> >> >stripped-down velocity of "Fish" and "Neat Neat Neat" through to

>> >the

>> > >> >> >ersatz psychedelia of the Naz Nomad stuff and onto their

>> >vanglorious

>> > >> >> >opuses (opi?) like the afore-mentioned "Eloise" is a testament to

>> >their

>> > >> >> >versatility.

>> > >> >> >

>> > >> >> >Bless'em.

>> > >> >> >

>> > >> >> >Alex in NYC

>> > >> >> >

>> > >> >> >

>> > >> >> >

>> > >> >> >-----Original Message-----

>> > >> >> > >From: Mike Porthouse <Mike at rteltd.com>

>> > >> >> > >Sent: Feb 21, 2007 4:02 AM

>> > >> >> > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>> > >> >> > <gathering at misera.net>

>> > >> >> > >Subject: Re: [kj] Clip of US punk documentary/riots

>> > >> >> > >

>> > >> >> > >Had the pleasure of seeing the current Damned line-up a couple

>>of

>> > >> >>times

>> > >> >> > last

>> > >> >> > >year (Vanian, Sensible, Stu, Pinch and Monty) and I have to say

>> > >> >>they're

>> > >> >>in

>> > >> >> > >good form. Best I've seen them since the re-union shows in

>>about

>> >88 or

>> > >> >>89.

>> > >> >> > >Vanian and Sensible have a massive stage presence and they're

>>now

>> > >> >>playing

>> > >> >> > >with good musicians. Always a good night out. Some good new

>>songs

>> >and

>> > >> >>a

>> > >> >> > back

>> > >> >> > >catalogue of classics. The only thing for me, which keeps them

>> >from

>> > >> >>being

>> > >> >> > >right up there with the best is their lyrics, which have never

>> >been

>> > >> >> > anything

>> > >> >> > >to get excited about.

>> > >> >> > >BTW the recent MGE DVD release is very good for any Damned fans

>> >who

>> > >> >>don't

>> > >> >> > >already own it.

>> > >> >> > >

>> > >> >> > >Mike Porthouse

>> > >> >> > >

>> > >> >> > >----- Original Message -----

>> > >> >> > >From: <gingoblin at easynet.co.uk>

>> > >> >> > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>> > >> >> > ><gathering at misera.net>

>> > >> >> > >Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 9:32 PM

>> > >> >> > >Subject: Re: [kj] Clip of US punk documentary/riots

>> > >> >> > >

>> > >> >> > >

>> > >> >> > >> This was last July, and yes it WAS interesting to say the

>> > >> >>least! Fucking

>> > >> >> > >> great, even if Casey Chaos's voice was shot.

>> > >> >> > >>

>> > >> >> > >> They came VERY close to doing it with Dave and Cap, but

>>that's

>> > >> >>another

>> > >> >> > >> story. It is a shame though... 30 years comes round once.

>> > >> >> > >>

>> > >> >> > >> There was talk of doing a few more dates, but nothing more

>>than

>> > >> >>that.

>> > >> >>You

>> > >> >> > >> never know though!

>> > >> >> > >>

>> > >> >> > >> A couple of pics from the gig :

>> > >> >> > >>

>> > >>

>> >

>> >>http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/GinGoblin/100ClubJuly6th20068.jpg

>> > >> >> > >>

>> > >> >> > >>

>> > >>

>> >

>> >>http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/GinGoblin/100ClubJuly6th20067.jpg

>> > >> >> > >>

>> > >> >> > >> Dave

>> > >> >> > >>

>> > >> >> > >> At 13:34 20/02/2007 -0500, you wrote:

>> > >> >> > >>>So the Brian James Gang thing made me curious again. Don't

>>own

>> >the

>> > >> >> > >>>release

>> > >> >> > >>>but it sounds promising even the simplistic, idiotic lyrics.

>> >Vocals

>> > >> >>are

>> > >> >> > >>>fine. So I stumble across their (always dreaded) myspace

>>page:

>> > >> >> > >>>

>> > >>

>> >

>> >>http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friend

>> > >> >> > id=106508478

>> > >> >> > >>>

>> > >> >> > >>>and what do I see...

>> > >> >> > >>>DAMNED 30th ANNIVERSARY LINE-UP:

>> > >> >> > >>>Brian James-Guitar,

>> > >> >> > >>>Rat Scabies-Drums

>> > >> >> > >>>Mani-Bass

>> > >> >> > >>>Casey Chaos-Voice

>> > >> >> > >>>

>> > >> >> > >>>This could be interesting. Shame they couldn't do it with

>> >Captain

>> > >> >>and Rat

>> > >> >> > >>>

>> > >> >> > >>>Anyone have anymore details??? IS there a snowballs chance

>>in

>> >hell

>> > >> >>thisis

>> > >> >> > >>>coming to the US? I would actually go see this

>> > >> >> > >>>

>> > >> >> > >>>Chris

>> > >> >> > >>>

>> > >> >> > >>>

>> > >> >> > >>> >From: "TB" <Partyslammer at socal.rr.com>

>> > >> >> > >>> >Reply-To: TB <Partyslammer at socal.rr.com>,"A list about all

>> >things

>> > >> >> > >>> >Killing

>> > >> >> > >>> >Joke (the band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

>> > >> >> > >>> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>> > >> >> > >>> ><gathering at misera.net>

>> > >> >> > >>> >Subject: Re: [kj] Clip of US punk documentary/riots

>> > >> >> > >>> >Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:10:33 -0800

>> > >> >> > >>> >

>> > >> >> > >>> >"Rob's Arse" wrote:

>> > >> >> > >>> >

>> > >> >> > >>> > >

>> > >> >> > >>> > > Grave disorder really was a return to form but Not of

>>this

>> > >> >>Earth

>> > >> >>was

>> > >> >> > >>> > > terrible!

>> > >> >> > >>> > >

>> > >> >> > >>> > > I remember seeing them at the time with Scabies on

>>drums,

>> > >> >>Vanian

>> > >> >>on

>> > >> >> > >>> > > Vocals, Moose from NMA on bass with Kris Dollimore (Mr

>> >Session

>> > >> >> > >>> > > guitar)

>> > >> >> > >>> >and

>> > >> >> > >>> > > Vanian's Grandad (wearing a LEATHER WASTECOAT).

>> > >> >> > >>> > > I left that gig totally heartbroken. They were shitter

>> >than

>> > >> >>shit.

>> > >> >> > >>> > >

>> > >> >> > >>> > > As an aside, we played wit teh Brian James Gang the

>>other

>> >week

>> > >> >>and I

>> > >> >> > >>> >have

>> > >> >> > >>> > > to say that Brian James is a lovely bloke. Shame there

>> >were

>> > >> >>only

>> > >> >>25

>> > >> >> > >>> >people

>> > >> >> > >>> > > at the gig!

>> > >> >> > >>> >

>> > >> >> > >>> >Did Brian have Dave Tregunna with him on bass? Any Lords

>> >tunes

>> > >> >>played?

>> > >> >> > >>> >More

>> > >> >> > >>> >details, man!

>> > >> >> > >>> >

>> > >> >> > >>> >T.B.

>> > >> >> > >>> >

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