[kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA

[bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net]

You probably heard about their recent LP _Christ Illusion_ getting "banned" in India by Xtian groups? (Recalled by label and pulled from shelves after religious pressure.)

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003223377

-Oliver







----- Original Message ----
From: Leigh Newton <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 12:21:21 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA

Like i said, i love South Of Heaven. I think that and Reign in Blood are Slayer's only essential albums. Good songs exist here and there on the other releases. 

----- Original Message ----
From: peter muckle <pmuckle00 at hotmail.com>
To: gathering at misera.net
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 4:33:08 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA


Yeah have to agree Slayer did slow down, but it was still listenable unlike 
other bands



>From: Leigh Newton <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com>

>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the 

>band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 

><gathering at misera.net>

>Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA

>Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:26:21 -0800 (PST)

>

>I think Slayer going from the breakneck, unrelenting thrash metal of Reign 

>in Blood to the slowed down, creepy melodicism of South of Heaven was a 

>pretty gutsy about-face. Probably the only ballsy move they've ever made, 

>artistically speaking. The backlash was so bad that, since then, they've 

>pretty much been giving the fans exactly what they want. Too bad cuz i 

>think South of Heaven is incredible. Who would think that thrashmetalheads 

>in 1988 would be so single-minded? Hmm...

>

>

>

>----- Original Message ----

>From: peter muckle <pmuckle00 at hotmail.com>

>To: vassifer at earthlink.net

>Cc: gathering at misera.net

>Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 6:19:09 PM

>Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA

>

>

>I have to agree with you, Outside the Gate was a drastic change.

>Does anyone know of any similar band having such a drastic change or will

>this go down as a record breaking event.

>

>Pete

>

>

> >From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

> >Reply-To: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>,"A list about all things

> >Killing Joke (the band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> ><gathering at misera.net>, "A list about all things Killing Joke (the 

>band!)"

> ><gathering at misera.net>

> >Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS and PHANTASMAGORIA

> >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:55:52 -0500 (EST)

> >

> >

> >I don't remember being as crushed by hearing "Grimly Fiendish" by the

> >Damned as I was when I first heard "Adorations" by the `Joke, but then -- 

>I

> >was always *way* more into the `Joke. Still not a fan of that single. 

>When

> >the album came out, there were at least a few tracks with oomph to them

> >(notably "Chessboards" and "Rubicon") and its aged fairly well, I'd say,

> >but it's never been one of my favorites.

> >

> >That all said, *ABSOLUTELY NOTHING* can compare to the jaw-dropping

> >disbelief and abject disapointment I felt when I first heard "America" 

>(to

> >say nothing of the rest of the album that spawned it).

> >

> >Alex in NYC

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >-----Original Message-----

> > >From: gingoblin at easynet.co.uk

> > >Sent: Feb 22, 2007 4:36 PM

> > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> ><gathering at misera.net>

> > >Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS and PHANTASMAGORIA

> > >

> > >Indeed, and an era for both bands that I now look back on and think 

>"hmm,

> > >not the best really, no matter how hard I tried to convince myself

> > >otherwise at the time"!  Actually, wasn't keen on 1000 Suns when it 

>came

> > >out either (and no, let's not start that one again!)

> > >

> > >

> > >At 20:39 22/02/2007 +0000, you wrote:

> > >>This was a new chapter for the damned, similar to the Killing Joke era

> >of

> > >>1000 Suns.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> >From: "Jerry Butson" <jerry at fleamusic.com>

> > >> >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

> > >> >band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

> > >> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> > >> ><gathering at misera.net>

> > >> >Subject: Re: [kj] OT: in Defense of PHANTASMAGORIA by the Damned

> > >> >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:50:52 +0000

> > >> >

> > >> >My vote for one of the Damned's finest vinyl moments goes to he 12"

> >version

> > >> >of Alone Again Or in its breakneck speed, edited

> > >> >on-the-fly-with-a-pair-of-rusty-scissors version...fantastic!

> > >> >

> > >> >On 22/02/07, gingoblin at easynet.co.uk <gingoblin at easynet.co.uk> 

>wrote:

> > >> >>

> > >> >>Yeah, I do kinda enjoy Phantasmagoria the very few times I play it

> >these

> > >> >>days, but after all these years I've realised for it to REALLY be 

>the

> > >> >>Damned, it needs Vanian/Scabies/Sensible. They've had their moments

> >with

> > >> >>the different line-ups, but nothing even comes close to the amazing

> >stuff

> > >> >>of the earlier years.   I remember hearing a comp CD in some pub...

> >it was

> > >> >>absolute genius right up to Grimly Fiendish coming on, when I 

>wished

> >it

> > >> >>would just end. Kinda summed it up for me.

> > >> >>As for their "image"... as Scabies said, Vanian could dress as a

> >binman

> > >> >>and

> > >> >>still look good, while he himself could put on the finest clothes 

>and

> > >> >>still

> > >> >>be a mess!!

> > >> >>Must admit, can't stand Eloise... though that's possibly from it

> >being the

> > >> >>"hit" and having heard it way too often over the years. The current

> > >> >>line-up

> > >> >>do the best version so far, but could still do without it!

> > >> >>Oh, and the Five Foot One thing... I came out and directly asked 

>them

> > >> >>around that time, and they didn't own up!  I recall asking Rat if

> >covering

> > >> >>Five Foot One had anything to do with Vanian's height (to which he

> >replied

> > >> >>"oh, I wouldn't say that to him"!!). Ah, my ever-tactful youth!

> > >> >>

> > >> >>Dave in Edinburgh

> > >> >>

> > >> >>

> > >> >>

> > >> >>

> > >> >>

> > >> >>At 09:15 21/02/2007 -0500, you wrote:

> > >> >>

> > >> >> >Just a few words in defense of PHANTASMAGORIA. I was shocked as

> >everyone

> > >> >> >else at said album's comparatively gloppy overproduction. Despite

> >the

> > >> >> >funereal trappings, it owed more to the likes of Meat Loaf and

> >Bonnie

> > >> >> >Tyler than it did to any Goth making the `rounds at the time (by

> > >> >> >comparison, the Sisters of Mercy sound like the Ramones). That

> >said,

> > >> >>there

> > >> >> >were still some fine moments of pure pop on it (notably "Street 

>of

> > >> >>Dreams"

> > >> >> >and "Grimly Fiendish", although "Is It A Dream?" is just crap

> >across the

> > >> >> >board). I'm also a big fan of the non-album single "Eloise,"

> >another

> > >> >> >hoarily windswept and overproduced gem. Was in Punk? Not

> >especially, but

> > >> >> >who cares?

> > >> >> >

> > >> >> >As a college freshman in 1985 out in the bowels of Ohio, I 

>remember

> > >> >> >packing into a crowded station wagon to drive across scary,

> > >> >>backwoods-ass

> > >> >> >Midwestern pigfuck country to Kentucky to catch the Damned on the

> > >> >> >PHANTASMAGORIA tour (which, for some reason, bypassed the nearest

> >city

> > >> >>to

> > >> >> >our school, Columbus). As over-the-top as their image and 

>aesthetic

> >had

> > >> >> >become (Hammer horror films, candelabras, graveyard shtick), they

> >were

> > >> >>as

> > >> >> >full-on live as can be imagined (and yes -- quite definably PUNK 

>in

> > >> >>every

> > >> >> >semblance of the term).

> > >> >> >

> > >> >> >I've grown to quite like the PHANTASMAGORIA album as a result.

> >There are

> > >> >> >some great moments on ANYTHING as well (notably their cover of

> >"Alone

> > >> >> >Again Or" and the title track, which is essentialy a

> >wafer-thin-re-write

> > >> >> >of Iggy Pops "Five Foot One"). I saw them again with Brian James 

>et

> >al.

> > >> >>on

> > >> >> >the tour that resulted in the FINAL DAMNATION tour (`90 or so?) 

>at

> >the

> > >> >>New

> > >> >> >Ritz, and they were endearingly shambollic. The last time I saw

> >them was

> > >> >> >in the mid-90's at since-shuttered Coney Island High. I don't

> >believe

> > >> >>Rat

> > >> >> >was in attendance, but Dave was there in all his ridiculous 

>glory.

> >It

> > >> >>was

> > >> >> >fun to see them, but it wasn't really "the Damned" as I'd grown 

>to

> >love.

> > >> >> >

> > >> >> >I haven't picked up a new album/single of theirs since I can't

> >remember

> > >> >> >when, honestly. But I listened to a clutch of Damned tracks on my

> >walk

> > >> >>to

> > >> >> >work this morning, and the mere fact that their catalog stretches

> >from

> > >> >>the

> > >> >> >stripped-down velocity of "Fish" and "Neat Neat Neat" through to

> >the

> > >> >> >ersatz psychedelia of the Naz Nomad stuff and onto their

> >vanglorious

> > >> >> >opuses (opi?) like the afore-mentioned "Eloise" is a testament to

> >their

> > >> >> >versatility.

> > >> >> >

> > >> >> >Bless'em.

> > >> >> >

> > >> >> >Alex in NYC

> > >> >> >

> > >> >> >

> > >> >> >

> > >> >> >-----Original Message-----

> > >> >> > >From: Mike Porthouse <Mike at rteltd.com>

> > >> >> > >Sent: Feb 21, 2007 4:02 AM

> > >> >> > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> > >> >> > <gathering at misera.net>

> > >> >> > >Subject: Re: [kj] Clip of US punk documentary/riots

> > >> >> > >

> > >> >> > >Had the pleasure of seeing the current Damned line-up a couple 

>of

> > >> >>times

> > >> >> > last

> > >> >> > >year (Vanian, Sensible, Stu, Pinch and Monty) and I have to say

> > >> >>they're

> > >> >>in

> > >> >> > >good form. Best I've seen them since the re-union shows in 

>about

> >88 or

> > >> >>89.

> > >> >> > >Vanian and Sensible have a massive stage presence and they're 

>now

> > >> >>playing

> > >> >> > >with good musicians. Always a good night out. Some good new 

>songs

> >and

> > >> >>a

> > >> >> > back

> > >> >> > >catalogue of classics. The only thing for me, which keeps them

> >from

> > >> >>being

> > >> >> > >right up there with the best is their lyrics, which have never

> >been

> > >> >> > anything

> > >> >> > >to get excited about.

> > >> >> > >BTW the recent MGE DVD release is very good for any Damned fans

> >who

> > >> >>don't

> > >> >> > >already own it.

> > >> >> > >

> > >> >> > >Mike Porthouse

> > >> >> > >

> > >> >> > >----- Original Message -----

> > >> >> > >From: <gingoblin at easynet.co.uk>

> > >> >> > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> > >> >> > ><gathering at misera.net>

> > >> >> > >Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 9:32 PM

> > >> >> > >Subject: Re: [kj] Clip of US punk documentary/riots

> > >> >> > >

> > >> >> > >

> > >> >> > >> This was last July, and yes it WAS interesting to say the

> > >> >>least!  Fucking

> > >> >> > >> great, even if Casey Chaos's voice was shot.

> > >> >> > >>

> > >> >> > >> They came VERY close to doing it with Dave and Cap, but 

>that's

> > >> >>another

> > >> >> > >> story.  It is a shame though... 30 years comes round once.

> > >> >> > >>

> > >> >> > >> There was talk of doing a few more dates, but nothing more 

>than

> > >> >>that.

> > >> >>You

> > >> >> > >> never know though!

> > >> >> > >>

> > >> >> > >> A couple of pics from the gig :

> > >> >> > >>

> > >>

> > 

> >>http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/GinGoblin/100ClubJuly6th20068.jpg

> > >> >> > >>

> > >> >> > >>

> > >>

> > 

> >>http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/GinGoblin/100ClubJuly6th20067.jpg

> > >> >> > >>

> > >> >> > >> Dave

> > >> >> > >>

> > >> >> > >> At 13:34 20/02/2007 -0500, you wrote:

> > >> >> > >>>So the Brian James Gang thing made me curious again.  Don't 

>own

> >the

> > >> >> > >>>release

> > >> >> > >>>but it sounds promising even the simplistic, idiotic lyrics.

> >Vocals

> > >> >>are

> > >> >> > >>>fine.  So I stumble across their (always dreaded) myspace 

>page:

> > >> >> > >>>

> > >>

> > 

> >>http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friend

> > >> >> > id=106508478

> > >> >> > >>>

> > >> >> > >>>and what do I see...

> > >> >> > >>>DAMNED 30th ANNIVERSARY LINE-UP:

> > >> >> > >>>Brian James-Guitar,

> > >> >> > >>>Rat Scabies-Drums

> > >> >> > >>>Mani-Bass

> > >> >> > >>>Casey Chaos-Voice

> > >> >> > >>>

> > >> >> > >>>This could be interesting.  Shame they couldn't do it with

> >Captain

> > >> >>and Rat

> > >> >> > >>>

> > >> >> > >>>Anyone have anymore details???  IS there a snowballs chance 

>in

> >hell

> > >> >>thisis

> > >> >> > >>>coming to the US?  I would actually go see this

> > >> >> > >>>

> > >> >> > >>>Chris

> > >> >> > >>>

> > >> >> > >>>

> > >> >> > >>> >From: "TB" <Partyslammer at socal.rr.com>

> > >> >> > >>> >Reply-To: TB <Partyslammer at socal.rr.com>,"A list about all

> >things

> > >> >> > >>> >Killing

> > >> >> > >>> >Joke (the band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

> > >> >> > >>> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> > >> >> > >>> ><gathering at misera.net>

> > >> >> > >>> >Subject: Re: [kj] Clip of US punk documentary/riots

> > >> >> > >>> >Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:10:33 -0800

> > >> >> > >>> >

> > >> >> > >>> >"Rob's Arse" wrote:

> > >> >> > >>> >

> > >> >> > >>> > >

> > >> >> > >>> > > Grave disorder really was a return to form but Not of 

>this

> > >> >>Earth

> > >> >>was

> > >> >> > >>> > > terrible!

> > >> >> > >>> > >

> > >> >> > >>> > > I remember seeing them at the time with Scabies on 

>drums,

> > >> >>Vanian

> > >> >>on

> > >> >> > >>> > > Vocals, Moose from NMA on bass with Kris Dollimore (Mr

> >Session

> > >> >> > >>> > > guitar)

> > >> >> > >>> >and

> > >> >> > >>> > > Vanian's Grandad (wearing a LEATHER WASTECOAT).

> > >> >> > >>> > > I left that gig totally heartbroken. They were shitter

> >than

> > >> >>shit.

> > >> >> > >>> > >

> > >> >> > >>> > > As an aside, we played wit teh Brian James Gang the 

>other

> >week

> > >> >>and I

> > >> >> > >>> >have

> > >> >> > >>> > > to say that Brian James is a lovely bloke. Shame there

> >were

> > >> >>only

> > >> >>25

> > >> >> > >>> >people

> > >> >> > >>> > > at the gig!

> > >> >> > >>> >

> > >> >> > >>> >Did Brian have Dave Tregunna with him on bass? Any Lords

> >tunes

> > >> >>played?

> > >> >> > >>> >More

> > >> >> > >>> >details, man!

> > >> >> > >>> >

> > >> >> > >>> >T.B.

> > >> >> > >>> >

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