[kj] inside exremities and no way out(2006)

[Leigh Newton]

I think it's natural for people like us to be a little uneasy and maybe feel a little polarized about the whole file-sharing thing. When I say people like us, what I mean is people who grew up with music being a much more organic experience than it is now (I'm just assuming we're all roughly between the ages of 20-something and 40-something). Now that the internet has completely taken over and is laying the groundwork for a completely different musical experience, it's a little weird (for me, at least) to fully make that mental adjustment. That said, I use the hell out of Soulseek and I'm completely on board with the whole "try before buy" approach, especially now that everyone and his grandmother is in a band, 95% of which are more or less worthless. I also think it's an amazing way for underground bands to instantly promote themselves. The downside of all that is an over-saturation of music and the fact that everything is there for the taking which in turn gives people a sense of entitlement that can be downright shocking. Everything is a double-edged sword, I guess. 

----- Original Message ----
From: B. Oliver Sheppard <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Monday, February 5, 2007 5:12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] inside exremities and no way out(2006)


Hey now, in my own defense, I have often mentioned here that I bought, 
for ex., the double blue vinyl 12"x2 ltd. ed. LP of _Hosannas_, 
Nighttime on vinyl, have bought KJ t-shirt merch., etc. I think KJ 
deserve the money. But I'm not against peer-to-peer unauthorized file 
sharing on principle.

In a recent recent interview w/ Ian MacKaye (Minor Threat/Fugazi) he was 
asked about file sharking systems like Soulseek. He claimed it was 
wonderful. He mentioned that when he was in his late teens and twenties 
in the 1980s, one of the biggest frustrations hardcore punk and other 
underground acts had was actually getting people to hear their music. 
Most stations wouldn't play it, MTV hated it, etc. -- even though now 
all these same folks act like they were always on the bandwagon all 
along. He said something like Soulseek back then would have been a 
godsend to bands like his and his friends in Negative Approach and the 
Dead Kennedys, because then they'd have a wider audience for their 
message and movement. He said the entire reason they played was so that 
-- dun dun dun -- folks could hear their music.

I think that the downloading of music via stuff like Soulseek is not 
necessarily connected to lack of album sales in the same way the RIAA 
would like folks to think it is. A lot of bands' income is from merch: 
posters, live show ticket sales, paying at the door, t-shirts, stickers 
-- stuff that's hard if not impossible to download. MP3s are one one 
component of this oeuvre of output. Majors even seed or leak mp3s on 
audio blogs to create buzz for bands.

-Oliver


melinda grant wrote:

> here/here.....well said fats i totally agree ;-)

>

> melinda ps people, buy the stuff,the boys need the 

> cash...pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>

>

>> From: fatpotanga <fatpotanga at gmail.com>

>> Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the 

>> band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

>> To: The Gathering <gathering at misera.net>

>> Subject: Re: [kj] inside exremities and no way out(2006)

>> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 20:54:37 +0000

>>

>> Call me a big girl in a bra, but I must admit I feel uneasy about the

>> sharing of current material.

>> Older, 'hard to get hold of' or deleted stuff I don't mind but I think

>> things like this & say Transmission are wrong.

>> MD for example need every penny to survive & every pirated download puts

>> Colesy's efforts in jeopardy & he's produced a fantastic label with some

>> great artists.

>> At the risk of sounding naff, we're part of the KJ extended family & 

>> as such

>> you don't steal from your own so if you want it, buy it.

>>

>> Please don't think this a personal dig, it's just a general observation.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> On 5/2/07 19:24, "B. Oliver Sheppard" wrote:

>>

>> > More than that, could they put it up on Soulseek or YouSendit (and 

>> then

>> > give us the URL) or something? :)

>>

>> -- 

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