[kj] ot: islington squat - jamie

[jo]

ahhh, aimless rebellion - now we have joy:-)))
You might not consider it to be big or clever but IMO it is the essence of 
'Punk' or whatever form a future culture shaping zygote has taken.
We burnt one of our squats bit by bit one Winter because we didn't have any 
sugar to throw on the fire.
Didn't catch on though:-))
I hope I never grow up.





> As Brenda pointed out, I was being particularly negative! But doesn't 

> EVERYTHING go wrong eventually? Those in the film would've had shit 

> life-experiences whether they had spikey hair or not. I wouldn't describe 

> them as dregs of society as I went through that too - just bided my time 

> before getting out. Luckily someone died so I got a bit of money & didn't 

> have to live rough. Still, the place I got wasn't far from living in a 

> squat! Just trying to point out that anyone can have shit happen to them - 

> it always has & always will.

>

> Essentially, I don't think those in the film have a great deal to do with 

> punk - had they lived ten years before, then they'd be called something 

> else. Hardly worthy of the glorification punk gets. My interest in punk it 

> is the music - mainly what came later: KJ, PiL, Banshees, etc, etc. Other 

> than that, they could be wannabe-chavs of any era. Those people will 

> always exist.

>

> I don't sit on a pedestal - more a chair in front of the pc. Do you not 

> indulge in correcting people at regular intervals? Maybe you don't see it.

>

> Ultimately, what rules should we use to quantify how 'punk' we are? And 

> why does it matter so much? If punk means to aimlessly rebel, then is it 

> really any different to rock'n'roll?

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of iPat

> Sent: 28 December 2007 08:54

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] ot: islington squat - jamie

>

>

> well its easy to sit on a pedestal and condemn, but some of these guys

> were more punk than some of the art students who wore some eye liner

> and dyed their hair seeking fame that are held up as heroes by some

> here. These guys were the dregs of society, abused kids who left home

> rather than getting beaten up by daddy again.

>

> Spider wasnt in the film,but the glaswegian later became famous for

> appearing on a late night channel4 programme and telling how he was

> abused by his 'uncles'. I first met Spider when he was a skinhead and

> he came in threatening violence at a centre i was involved in where

> three on that film had also been involved. Having ended up scrapping

> with Spider he still hung around and i started to include him despite

> peoples objection in putting on local bands. He then came out the

> closet and started to tell us his story. Passed around his uncles by

> his dad he was a survivor of a child of a peadophiles familly. Earnt

> his money in porn movies (someone shat in his mouth once) and shagging

> politicians

>

> the guy with the rat at the end, cyril,i didnt have that much to do

> with, but again his life revolved around the glue bag from the age of

> 13. He would have been 18 then.

>

> Riley appearing at the end of the film but not speaking was a huge

> killing joke fan and knew Jaz. He has letters and early literature

> from the bands first fan club. He was really fucked up at this time

> but when he came away from there i was eventually able to give him

> something more productive to work with. He now lives in Australia and

> is a personal trainer

>

> How could this show how punk went wrong? It shows the reality of life

> at that time in the uk

>

> On Dec 27, 2007 8:52 PM, ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

>> Wow - look at all those future Marketing Execs & Lawyerscum, etc!

>>

>> Incredible how horribly WRONG punk went & how quickly too. Just the same

>> as anything else really.

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