[kj] OT: The Cure

[Christof hamille]

I've seen them a bunch of times since the late 80s and they always put on a 
good show.  Of course not high energy...but... And I would recommend not 
going two or three tours in a row.  Same thing



>From: "Brendan" <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the 

>band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 

><gathering at misera.net>

>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure

>Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:26:08 +1200 (NZST)

>

>I can recommend them highly, three hour concert, longest I've ever been to

>from a single band, a real testament to them giving a shite about

>themselves and their fans, and ALL of it was good.

>

> > Cheers for that, I've been out of touch with what he's been up to for a

> > while.  The Cure always take me back to being a messed up goth.

> > (Although I think I'm more messed up now than when I was a goth!)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> > On Behalf Of phatseanio

> > Sent: 30 August 2007 00:20

> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Cure

> >

> >

> >

> > howdi......

> >

> > ....might be a chance Robert Smith sings with Paul Hartnoll (of ORBITAL

> > fame),at the roundhouse,london on tues 4th sept,and manchester

> > bridgewater hall wed 5th sept,seeing as he's guested on one of the

> > tracks on his solo album THE IDEAL CONDITION....

> >

> > he's performing the album in full,tis quite a nice mix of synths &

> > orchestral sounds......

> >

> > y'never know!!!!!

> >

> > he's also had a single out with the mighty shend from THE  CRAVATS on

> > vocals this year......that took me back to being a messed up goth,I can

> > tell you...........................!!!!!!!!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > sean

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On 8/28/07, Janean Lancaster <Janean.Lancaster at hopwood.ac.uk > wrote:

> >

> > Bit late replying to this one - been away.

> >

> > Anyway...

> >

> > <<<I went and saw The Cure last night, which is

> > an extrememly rare treat in NZ, the last time they visited was 15 years

> > ago.>>>

> >

> > I'm so jealous!  One of my favourite bands and still love them.

> >

> > <<< Fucking brilliant concert, sigh...I grew up on those guys. You lot

> > in the

> > UK, Europe and the 'States are fucking lucky to have bands like that

> > playing every bloody Tuesday or whatever.>>>

> >

> > The Cure haven't played the UK since 2004, which was a paltry 90 minute

> > set at a festival (paltry seeing as they are known for their 3 hour

> > performances - I still loved it though), which is why I'm so jealous!

> >

> > They just don't seem to want to play at home anymore - probably because

> > they can't pull large numbers into the arenas anymore.  Such a shame.

> >

> > No doubt when I'm over in NZ visiting my dad, The Cure will play the UK

> > and I will be mortified...

> >

> > Cheers,

> > Janean

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto: gathering-bounces at misera.net

> > <mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net> ]

> > On Behalf Of Brendan

> > Sent: 14 August 2007 23:48

> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> > Subject: Re: [kj] My Facebook

> >

> > Speaking about goths, haha, I went and saw The Cure last night, which is

> >

> > an extrememly rare treat in NZ, the last time they visited was 15 years

> > ago.

> >

> > Fucking brilliant concert, sigh...I grew up on those guys. You lot in

> > the

> > UK, Europe and the 'States are fucking lucky to have bands like that

> > playing every bloody Tuesday or whatever.

> >

> > Except when Armageddon comes me, Bongo and Jaz are all gonna be fine and

> > you're all fucked, so get down here now, and bring Tool, Killing Joke,

> > and

> > all the other decent bands with you! And don't buy real estate below 50M

> >

> > above sea level...

> >

> > ;p

> >

> >> Here are the 5 paragraphs that deal with Killing Joke in --

> >>

> >> Simon Reynolds' 402 page _Rip It Up and Start Again: Postpunk 1979 -

> >> 1984_ (Penguin Books, 2005).

> >>

> >> The five paragraphs are in the section on goth near the end of the

> > book:

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> "If Bauhaus, the Banshees, and the Birthday Party were the crucial

> >> groups that bridged postpunk and Goth, Killing Joke was the fourth

> >> cornerstone of the Goth sound and sensibility. Like the other three

> >> bands, they started out as postpunk experimentalists. In Killing

> > Joke's

> >> case, that meant following PiL's lead. In 1980, singer/keyboardist Jaz

> >

> >> Coleman talked of wanting to keep the funk but strip away disco's

> >> 'sugarshit' sheen, replacing it 'with mangled, distorted, searing

> >> noise.' This element came from guitarist Geordie, who transformed

> > Kieth

> >> Levene's sound into something sulphuric, inhumane, practically

> > inhuman.

> >> Coleman added jabs of atonal synth and electronic hums, along with the

> >> barked menace of his vocals, which sounded like he was choking on his

> >> own fury. 'Tension music,' the group called it.

> >>

> >> "Initially, Killing Joke seemed vaguely political. Their striking

> >> seven-inch sleeves and micro-ads in the U.K. music press grabbed the

> > eye

> >> with images of the pope receiving a Nazi salute from German troops or

> > a

> >> top-hatted Fred Astaire tap dancing over a trench full of World War I

> >> corpses. The name Killing Joke, explained Coleman, condensed their

> > whole

> >> worldview into a single phrase, 'the feeling of a guy in the First

> > World

> >> War who's just about to run out the trenches ... and he knows his life

> >> is going to be gone in ten minutes and he thinks of that fucker back

> > in

> >> Westminster who put him in tha position. That's the feeling that we're

> >> trying to project -- the Killing Joke.'

> >>

> >> "Jaz Coleman was an unlikely protest singer, though. A high-caste

> >> Brahman Indian on his mother's side, Coleman was wealthy, well

> > educated,

> >> and musically trained (after Killing Joke he became a classical

> >> composer). In almost pointed contrast to Coleman's accomplishment,

> >> Killing Joke was conceived as a barbarian entity. Paul Ferguson's

> > beats

> >> were tribal and turbulent. Starting with their second album, _What's

> >> THIS For...!_ and reaching fruition on 1982's awesome _Revelations_,

> >> Killing Joke shook off the PiL influence (all the dub and death disco

> >> trappings) and emerged as something closer to Black Sabbath: doomy,

> >> tribalistic rock that exulted in its visions of darkness and the

> >> apocalypse.

> >>

> >> "Coleman saw Killing Joke's music as 'warning sounds for an age of

> >> self-destruction.' The end was nigh ('I'll give it eighteen months,'

> > he

> >> said in 1981), but Coleman was glad. The aftermath was 'the period of

> >> time I'm looking towards at the moment,' he said, when a new, brutally

> >> instinct-attuned _un_civilization would emerge phoenixlike from the

> >> smoking ruins. Coleman told NME, 'I see a more savage world ahead,

> >> right? It's music that inflames the heart.' Fire was Killing Jokes

> >> favorite of the four elements. They even recruited a fire eater, Dave

> >> the Wizard, to do his act on stage with the band. 'Fire to me is

> >> symbolic of the will power,' declared Jaz. 'I think the power of the

> >> individual is really underestimated.' Yet it seemed more the case that

> >> Killing Joke's music exalted the power of the mob.

> >>

> >> "Goth's appeal to the irrational and primal could sometimes stray into

> >> troubling territory, something Killing Joke exemplified. Coleman's

> >> rhetoric -- reveling in male energy, describing war as the natural

> > state

> >> of the world, jubilantly heralding Armageddon -- veered unnervingly

> >> close to that dodgy zone between Nietzschean and Nazi. 'The violence

> >> that is Killing Joke is about is not violence on the immediate level

> > but

> >> the _mass_ violence, the violence bubbling up underneath your feet,

> > the

> >> violence of nature throwing up,' Coleman solemnly proclaimed. 'And we

> >> _become_ that violence.' Even some Goths felt there was a faintly

> >> fascistic aura to the vibe catalyzed by Killing Joke at their gigs."

> >>

> >>

> >> [from July 7, 2007 post to list]

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:

> >>> Actually, 5 paragraphs devoted to Killing Joke in Simon Reynolds bok,

> >>> near the back, in the section on goth. And they're not very

> > flattering

> >>> paragraphs, really.

> >>>

> >>> (I posted all 5 paragraphs fromt he book to the list maybe a month

> >>> ago. Reynolds said the Killing Joke -- and he spoke of them in the

> >>> past tense, too -- were somewhere between Nietzschean and Nazi. No

> >>> kidding.)

> >>>

> >>> -Oliver

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> PS: I had another interview a day earlier with the culture editor

> > of

> >>>>> a reputable media outlet, and we similarly ended up talking about

> >>>>> music. Turns out her husband is none other than Simon Reynolds, the

> >>>>> celebrated music critic who wrote the arguably authoritative

> >>>>> post-punk tome, "Rip It Up And Start Again" (75 pages devoted to

> >>>>> Scritti Politti, 9 pages devoted to Killing Joke).

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>

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