[kj] Gathering Digest, Vol 45, Issue 129 Issue 126 s.man-- your new to list

[Marcel]

Frank, I think you've got me wrong; I do prefer Killing Joke to Rammstein. I don't think it makes sense to compare these bands at all. RS may be perfect entertainment in their best moments but KJ is about something else. They're dealing with different issues that are more to me than entertainment. Besides I prefer their music to Rammstein's. But that is all a matter of taste, isn't it? - and it's a waste of time to argue about it. Especially on a mail-thread that is about Killing Joke.

Fahre wohl, Marcel

cheers, Marcel

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>Message: 1

>Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:40:23 -0700 (PDT)

>From: Frank Frik <frankfrik at yahoo.com>

>Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

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>I was talking to Paul and not to you, Brendan. 

>   

>  ps I am not surprised that Paul is talking about autism in England.

>

>Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:

>  So I take it you still have three quarters of your foreskin...? No pics

>necessary.

>

>Bis Bald.

>

>

>> I am Aryan, but I have 1/4 of Jews blood.

>>

>> This is a top secret in my family and my mum...o dear...she has changed

>> even my surname when I was born ...

>>

>> paul wady 

>wrote:

>> Do you mean that you are German Frank?

>>

>> Yes, lots of Autistic kids have 'normal' parents, or very high functioners

>> so you wouldnt think they where.

>> (Apart from the huge scrap books of favourite Radio Aerial photo's,

>> encyclopaedic knowledge of Star Trek, sensitivity of brick wall etc.)

>>

>>

>>

>> Keep Smiling...

>>

>> ---------------------------------

>> From: Frank Frik 

>> Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>> band!)"

>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>> 

>> Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

>> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:07:31 -0700 (PDT)

>>

>> Paul, well how just to say that...''.I like your sence of humor ''would

>> be the 'repeat'..but it is.

>>

>> Paul, you wrote about autistic parents. Tell me, please, the children of

>> autistic parents are not autistic?

>>

>> My mum is a teacher and they are separating autistic children from not

>> autistic children,,,well, I will not write egzact location, but you do

>> know that I am an Aryan.

>>

>> paul wady 

>wrote:

>> If you listen to Total Invasion, and the whole thrust of the KJ 2003

>> album's response to 'The War', sounds like good old 'blind punk

>> against the obviously bad to our sort'. ("Fuck art, lets dance",

>> sort of thing.)

>>

>> We take the politics any way we want to express the basic messages. The

>> West are killing people for oil. They dont have to die. They are killing

>> their own people to do it, via warfare. Then they impose their own

>> culture and agenda. Obvious I know, but as far as Communism goes, maybe

>> you could use any political system to express ones feelings (TORIES

>> AGAINST THE MACHINE?) They'd all turn their words in the direction of

>> whatever people identified as 'bad', in order to get the vote.

>> What was it he sang in Implant? "SHOVE YOUR ID CARD UP YOUR ARSE..."

>> Full Manifesto!

>>

>>

>> Keep Smiling...

>>

>> ---------------------------------

>> From: "ade" 

>> Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>> band!)"

>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>> 

>> Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

>> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:20:22 +0100

>>>Mate, *any* system you can think of is imperfect.

>>>

>>>-----Original Message-----

>>>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>>[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Brendan

>>>Sent: 22 August 2007 23:15

>>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

>>>

>>>

>>>You need to realise that 'economic growth' of x% / year is

>>>unsustainable...a percentage growth / year equation, similar to

>>>compounding interest, results in exponential growth. All the economies

>>>(and corporations) are constantly comparing their progress in terms of

>>>profit growth, market share growth, asset growth etc, against each

>>> other..

>>>It's a race.

>>>

>>>However with finite resources, exponential growth eventually hits the

>>>wall...even if you can automate everything to death so that machines are

>>>perpetually exponentially more productive than humans...your natural

>>>resources run out, and / or waste builds up to the point where it stymies

>>>production.

>>>

>>>It's one of the many problems with capitalism. Having said that, I agree

>>>that I'd prefer to be living in a demorcatic capitalist society than a

>>>repressive regime, just pointing out that it's an imperfect system...as

>>>Ade and Olly and some others have pointed out, they all are. (Robert

>>> Anton

>>>Wilson's core message wrapped up right there).

>>>

>>>Having said that, I'm still working on my Manifesto, which aims to

>>> address

>>>all of the above ;P

>>>

>>> > "(with all goods distributed according to need, not status)"

>>> >

>>> > Well, we all dont *need* much to survive , no one *needs* expensive

>>> cars

>>> > or Jewellery or large houses or anything of that nature , all we

>>> "need"

>>> > is food , shelter and water . You dont realise Greg that people

>>> consuming

>>> > things keeps others in employment . If we only consumed what we

>>> needed,

>>> > then that would take away many peoples employment .

>>> > And who decides who needs what? That Human survival instinct makes us

>>> > naturally Capitalist . In Communist Countries , there is only minimal

>>> > need for consumer goods , so there is a lot of people without jobs to

>>> > do, so they have 20 people "employed" to do a one man job .

>>> > How about giving goods to people who contribute the most to society?

>>> How

>>> > about giving people who make the most contribution a piece of paper

>>> > entitling them to rewards for there hard work? How about calling this

>>> > piece of paper: Money? *

>>> >

>>> > *Is that the correct punctuation ?

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> > =======================================> > Message Received: Aug 22

>>> 2007, 04:36 AM

>>> > From: "GREG SLAWSON"

>>> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>> > Cc:

>>> > Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

>>> >

>>> > I respectfully disagree. Socialism (the big S one?) is what existed in

>>> the

>>> > USSR and China and is hanging on in Cuba. They all maintained

>>> heirarchical

>>> > leadership, wage slavery and wage differences, and economic/political

>>> > classes. And in China and Russia they led to the current grotesque

>>> forms

>>> > of capitalism (rampant unemployment, crime, drugs, alienation, social

>>> > unrest, poverty). The other (small s?) or Euro-socialism certainly has

>>> > advantages (as displayed in the new Micheal Moore film) but maintains

>>> all

>>> > the bad parts of capitalism (unemployment, alienation,

>>> > crime, economic cylcles, top-down leadership, etc). I prefer communism

>>> > with a big C--summed up in a slogan I made up:

>>> > No wages (with all goods distributed according to need, not status),

>>> > No stages (as in stages from national liberation to socialism to

>>> > communism, which has failed in countless countries),

>>> > No borders (one world, one party, one flag),

>>> > No orders (all decisions made collectively).

>>> > A lot of this stuff can be found at www.plp.org...

>>> >

>>> >> From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com

>>> >> To: gathering at misera.net

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>From: Frank Frik <frankfrik at yahoo.com>

>Subject: Re: [kj] Gathering Digest, Vol 45,     Issue 126 s.man--  your

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>Marcel, do you know ,what these English Nationals saying here? That that 'joke' is better than Till Lindermanor and Cristian 'FLAKE' Lorenz! These English have no taste. Youtube now is full of Germans and they hit English badly. Which is GUT. These impostors here understand nothing apart of ONE Language. I will shortly AUSLOGGEN and would like advise you just do the same and do not waiste the time here.:)

>   

>  Frank, Austria

>

>Marcel <spooman at freenet.de> wrote:

>  Hi there,

>

>Think u must mean me...

>I'm not sure for how long I've been registered with the gathering. Probably about 1 and a half or 2 years. 

>As a matter of fact I've never changed my identity and I never had any trouble with anyone. 

>I've only posted about 2 or 3 times. I remember delivering a translation of a small part of a german interview with Jaz and on another occasion I just stated that I got my money back from the gop account after an angry email. 

>I'm always keen on anything concerning KJ and company which is why I'm here and why I'm familiar with the stuff that went on in the web a bit (I knew about the earlier work of Jester R.I.P.)

>I just posted because I don't share Frank's opinion about Rammstein - I do like their album Reise, Reise -some good stuff on it and thanks to my parents I know that they have loads of references to literature in their lyrics I wouldn't have found. Also some of them display a bit of irony and are actually quite funny. Check out their video for "Keine Lust" which means something like "I'm not in the mood"

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xxGOKVBvlo

>

>But all in all their scheme has been an extremely simple one: Metal riffing, melodramatic melodies, shock effects like harsh lyrics (sex and violence, oh, oh) cleverly playing with nazi-clichees and thus forcing the german press to deal with them. I remember a journalist observing a conservation between Jaz and Till who had named KJ as an influence before RS became a trademark themselves where Jaz started to talk about his usual themes and Till - rather confused - left looking for female "fans". lol.

>

>The reason I'm here - again - is that I think of myself as a diehard KJ fan although I haven't ben been involved with "the scene" very much and - please don't take this as an offence - I don't mean to. I just like to stay up to date.

>

>cheers from Germany, Marcel 

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>> 1. Re: (OT)Rammstein (Frank Frik)

>> 2. Re: (OT)Rammstein (ade)

>> 3. Re: Killing joke and Communism (Brendan)

>> 4. Re: new/fake- remasters-- names on the horizon?! ;-D

>> (melinda grant)

>> 5. Re: Killing joke and Communism (Brendan)

>> 6. Re: password (Frank Frik)

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>>Message: 1

>>Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:51:24 -0700 (PDT)

>>From: Frank Frik 

>>Subject: Re: [kj] (OT)Rammstein

>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

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>>Just don't you worry, ade. I will log off forever from 'your' site in a couple of days. Your 'tranlations...' What you know more apart English Language? When you learn minimum other 3 Languages, them I may/may not invite you in real webs and talk to real people.... also not only about your music.

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>> -----Original Message-----

>>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Darren A. Peace

>>Sent: 22 August 2007 23:42

>>To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'

>>Subject: Re: [kj] (OT)Rammstein

>>

>>

>> I think that pretty well explains why I like them. They?re a completely soul-less band, and the guttural German goes so badly with the love songs (case in point : Ohne Dich, from the excellent ?Reise Reise?) that the songs become almost surreal. I really like ?Mein Teil? from the same album; anyone who can make a hit single from the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes case gets my vote. ?Sehnsucht? takes a lot of beating as an album, as it features ?Speil Mit Mir?, one of the most bombastic, overly melodramatic tracks ever. A b-side called ?Hallelujah? is worth tracking down too, but may be offensive if you?re a Catholic priest and are familiar with German... No doubt Frank Frik, our convincing Teutonic visitor, could help out with those awkward translations. Alternatively, herzeleid.com is a good resource.

>> 

>> Darren

>> Hungerford, UK

>> 

>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of ade

>>Sent: 22 August 2007 20:03

>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>Subject: Re: [kj] (OT)Rammstein

>>

>>

>> 

>> Sorry Rammstein fans - I think the word 'pantomime' describes them well 

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>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

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>>I can't wait Frank.. I really can't!!!

>> 

>>PS. Pete, didn't you say "don't ever mail me, ever again"? You love the attention though!!!

>>

>>-----Original Message-----

>>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Frank Frik

>>Sent: 23 August 2007 21:51

>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>Subject: Re: [kj] (OT)Rammstein

>>

>>

>>Just don't you worry, ade. I will log off forever from 'your' site in a couple of days. Your 'tranlations...' What you know more apart English Language? When you learn minimum other 3 Languages, them I may/may not invite you in real webs and talk to real people.... also not only about your music.

>>

>>ade wrote: 

>>

>>Never thought of it as a positive, but fair comment!

>>

>>-----Original Message-----

>>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Darren A. Peace

>>Sent: 22 August 2007 23:42

>>To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'

>>Subject: Re: [kj] (OT)Rammstein

>>

>>

>>I think that pretty well explains why I like them. They're a completely soul-less band, and the guttural German goes so badly with the love songs (case in point : Ohne Dich, from the excellent "Reise Reise") that the songs become almost surreal. I really like "Mein Teil" from the same album; anyone who can make a hit single from the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes case gets my vote. "Sehnsucht" takes a lot of beating as an album, as it features "Speil Mit Mir", one of the most bombastic, overly melodramatic tracks ever. A b-side called "Hallelujah" is worth tracking down too, but may be offensive if you're a Catholic priest and are familiar with German... No doubt Frank Frik, our convincing Teutonic visitor, could help out with those awkward translations. Alternatively, herzeleid.com is a good resource.

>> 

>>Darren

>>Hungerford, UK

>> 

>>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of ade

>>Sent: 22 August 2007 20:03

>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>Subject: Re: [kj] (OT)Rammstein

>> 

>>Sorry Rammstein fans - I think the word 'pantomime' describes them well 

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>>From: "Brendan" 

>>Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

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>>Has anyone read "Without Conscience" by Robert Hare? It's about

>>psychopathy, a chilling read, my Dad got me to buy it online as research

>>for a book he has written (it is the last thing he is doing as he's dying

>>from cancer of everything). Hare is regarded as one if not the worldwide

>>expert on psychopaths. I am pretty sure I have known and been involved

>>with at least one in my time, if not a pure psycho then a lot of the

>>traits.

>>

>>I have a theory that psychopathy and antisocial behavioural disorders are

>>on the increase for, amongst other reasons, lack of early parenting. My

>>cousin had her first baby recently, she had an elective caesarian for

>>starters, because it was easier for her, but she said from the get go that

>>she was going to get straight back to work as soon as possible. Sure

>>enough, within weeks she was back at work. Within months baby is in

>>daycare for 9 hours a day. She spends loads of money on baby, he has

>>everything you could ever want, and none of it compensates in my opinion

>>for having Mum and Dad around more.

>>

>>I think that the drive towards productivity and consumerism / materialism

>>is causing Mums, through understandable social pressure, to feel pressured

>>to get back to work as soon as possible, to pay off the mortgage and not

>>let their careers slip too far behind. I believe that the consequences for

>>children are not good.

>>

>>I was lucky enough to have several siblings, Mum was a fulltime Mum - and

>>more, I have 7 brothers and sisters!. I was breastfed, which I think

>>evidence suggests is more healthy, so I got all the love and attention I

>>needed in my first few years. I feel sorry for kids who don't have any

>>siblings and whose Mum ships them off to daycare as soon as possible, I am

>>not being judgemental, I understand the financial pressures just to keep

>>food on the table, but...I feel sorry for kids who don't get what pretty

>>much most humans have had for all of our history until the last few

>>hundred years...a fulltime Mum.

>>

>>I believe there's a good chance that a lot of the disorders, in particular

>>the social, emotional, behavioural, and mental disorders, that have ramped

>>up drastically in the last few decades, are partly as a result of lack of

>>socialising and basically, proper love and attention from Mums in

>>particular.

>>

>>I also have my suspicions about chemicals, electromagnetic fields, and the

>>decline of society's values, the rise of the culture of personality and

>>consumerism at the expense of values and character.

>>

>>My 2c.

>>

>>> The diagnoses of autism in the US are way, way, way up.

>>>

>>> I have a loved one with a brother who has been diagnosed with autism for

>>> a very long time. He does have the "little professor" thing going that

>>> can be a feature of autism; specifically, he has an encyclopedic

>>> knowledge of movies, movie stars, their careers, DVD editions of movies,

>>> and TV shows, etc. He has also many times attempted to hunt down and

>>> contact many Hollywood actors by way fof find their phone numbers, etc.,

>>> via the Internet. He does not seem to know how to modeulate his voice

>>> properly and speaks inappropriately loudly in social situations, and

>>> aside from allt his, from simply interacting with him you also get the

>>> feeling "he's just not all there," and I don't mean that in an offensive

>>> manner, I just mean that's the only way I can describe it without being

>>> more specific.

>>>

>>> He's actually a nice guy to me but can be horrible to his family. Like I

>>> said, his obsession is DVD and movies. He pulls fits and gets physically

>>> violent if he can't get DVD new releases as theyc ome out. he has a big

>>> bootleg collection. On some occasions this has actually been quite handy

>>> for me -- heh, heh -- and as he has an insanely intense interest in The

>>> Simpsons I've been able to talk to him at length about that show, and,

>>> yeah, he is like an encyclopedia.

>>>

>>> However, I have tto wonder wy diagnoses of autism have skyrocketed in

>>> recent years? Undetected before, or are more people getting it?

>>>

>>> Also, Asperger's I see in a different light. Asperger;s is more

>>> complicated and conroversial. Asperger's could really just be something

>>> introverted, socially awkward people who spend a lot of time on the PC

>>> tell themselves they have to make themselves feel better about it. I've

>>> met a few people who claimed to have had Asperger's and they seemed

>>> totally normal to me, but didn't have many friends, were really into PC

>>> gaming, and lots of gamer, nerdy stuff. I get suspicious about that

>>> designation. Diagnoses of that are also on the rise. Why?

>>>

>>>

>>> -Oliver

>>>

>>>

>>> paul wady wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Do you mean that you are German Frank?

>>>>

>>>> Yes, lots of Autistic kids have 'normal' parents, or very high

>>>> functioners so you wouldnt think they where.

>>>>

>>>> (Apart from the huge scrap books of favourite Radio Aerial photo's,

>>>> encyclopaedic knowledge of Star Trek, sensitivity of brick wall etc.)

>>>>

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>>Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:11:36 +0100

>>From: "melinda grant" 

>>Subject: Re: [kj] new/fake- remasters-- names on the horizon?! ;-D

>>To: gathering at misera.net

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>>s.man-- your new to list

>>

>>,first time ive seen that name on here in the 5 years since ive been on 

>>list,ah silly me,its proberly someone who was on list befor,theyve just 

>>changed there name to conceal there original i.d ;-D))) that sounds more 

>>like it!!

>>

>>theres alot of* that action* going on here on the list,with only about--* 20 

>>gatheres*-- who prefur to use there own name they started with from when 

>>they first joined ;-) theyve got nothing to hide you see....

>>

>>

>>after thought,it makes one wonder what the others are hiding from,you 

>>know,the ones who keep constantly changing there names,or come on list(maybe 

>>they were lurking,maybe not) with faulce name instead of using the name 

>>everyone generally knows them by,it just makes one wonder--what are they 

>>hiding from,as there obviously afraid to use there birth name...um...!!??!!

>>

>>MELINDA-- who is STILL USING REAL NAME,after 5 yearsccccccc from when i 

>>first joined list ;-D

>>

>>

>>>From: "S. Man" 

>>>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the 

>>>band!)"

>>>To: gathering at misera.net

>>>Subject: [kj] any more remasters on the horizon?

>>>Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:16:55 -0400

>>>

>>>I'm sure it has been discussed previously but what was the word on whether 

>>>or not there were likely to be additional remasters in the future? 

>>>Specifically, I've been wishing for a Night Time remaster for years now.

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>>

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>>Message: 5

>>Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:12:12 +1200 (NZST)

>>From: "Brendan" 

>>Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

>> 

>>Message-ID:

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>>So I take it you still have three quarters of your foreskin...? No pics

>>necessary.

>>

>>Bis Bald.

>>

>>

>>> I am Aryan, but I have 1/4 of Jews blood.

>>>

>>> This is a top secret in my family and my mum...o dear...she has changed

>>> even my surname when I was born ...

>>>

>>> paul wady 

>wrote:

>>> Do you mean that you are German Frank?

>>>

>>> Yes, lots of Autistic kids have 'normal' parents, or very high functioners

>>> so you wouldnt think they where.

>>> (Apart from the huge scrap books of favourite Radio Aerial photo's,

>>> encyclopaedic knowledge of Star Trek, sensitivity of brick wall etc.)

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Keep Smiling...

>>>

>>> ---------------------------------

>>> From: Frank Frik 

>>> Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>>> band!)"

>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>> 

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

>>> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 06:07:31 -0700 (PDT)

>>>

>>> Paul, well how just to say that...''.I like your sence of humor ''would

>>> be the 'repeat'..but it is.

>>>

>>> Paul, you wrote about autistic parents. Tell me, please, the children of

>>> autistic parents are not autistic?

>>>

>>> My mum is a teacher and they are separating autistic children from not

>>> autistic children,,,well, I will not write egzact location, but you do

>>> know that I am an Aryan.

>>>

>>> paul wady 

>wrote:

>>> If you listen to Total Invasion, and the whole thrust of the KJ 2003

>>> album's response to 'The War', sounds like good old 'blind punk

>>> against the obviously bad to our sort'. ("Fuck art, lets dance",

>>> sort of thing.)

>>>

>>> We take the politics any way we want to express the basic messages. The

>>> West are killing people for oil. They dont have to die. They are killing

>>> their own people to do it, via warfare. Then they impose their own

>>> culture and agenda. Obvious I know, but as far as Communism goes, maybe

>>> you could use any political system to express ones feelings (TORIES

>>> AGAINST THE MACHINE?) They'd all turn their words in the direction of

>>> whatever people identified as 'bad', in order to get the vote.

>>> What was it he sang in Implant? "SHOVE YOUR ID CARD UP YOUR ARSE..."

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