[kj] Killing joke and Communism

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> No orders (all decisions made collectively).

 
See, it just ain't gonna work!

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of GREG SLAWSON
Sent: 22 August 2007 04:36
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism


I respectfully disagree. Socialism (the big S one?) is what existed in the USSR and China and is hanging on in Cuba. They all maintained heirarchical leadership, wage slavery and wage differences, and economic/political classes. And in China and Russia they led to the current grotesque forms of capitalism (rampant unemployment, crime, drugs, alienation, social unrest, poverty). The other (small s?) or Euro-socialism certainly has advantages (as displayed in the new Micheal Moore film) but maintains all the bad parts of capitalism (unemployment, alienation, 
crime, economic cylcles, top-down leadership, etc). I prefer communism with a big C--summed up in a slogan I made up: 
No wages (with all goods distributed according to need, not status), 
No stages (as in stages from national liberation to socialism to communism, which has failed in countless countries), 
No borders (one world, one party, one flag), 
No orders (all decisions made collectively).
A lot of this stuff can be found at www.plp.org...


> From: folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:47:54 -0700

> Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

> 

> Socialism. With both a big and small 'S'. ;)

> 

> 

> >From: Frank Frik <frankfrik at yahoo.com>

> >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the 

> >band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 

> ><gathering at misera.net>

> >Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

> >Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:17:11 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> >folk devil, so what is better communism or fashism? Answer yes or no, 

> >because Ihate read stupid 'books'' here.

> >

> >

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