[kj] Killing joke and Communism

[Per G Olsson]

PETE
the reception here is bad
you're cracking up

21 aug 2007 kl. 23.47 skrev Frank Frik:


> Alex. chicka chica wack wack   kakakakakakakaka  wack  

> wack......kakakakakakakaka

>

> Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:

> wah-wah-chikka-wah...

>

> > Che Guevara shirts are ubiquitous here in the States, yet quiz the

> > average person wearing one about who he was and/or what he  

> represents

> > (let alone what his name was or where he was from) and you'll

> > probably be met with a blank stare.

> >

> > I blame Rage Against the Machine.

> >

> > Alex in NYC

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On Aug 21, 2007, at 5:07 PM, Mister Black wrote:

> >

> >> Che Gue Vara :

> >> Where does he fit in? Is his image rebellious or offensive or is

> >> it something that is adhered to? Does anyone own a Che Gue Vara T-

> >> shirt? I think that they look so naff , I cant see anyone on this

> >> list owing a Che Gue Vara t-shirt or poster , except for maybe  

> Tin .

> >>

> >> ========================================

> >> Message Received: Aug 21 2007, 09:55 PM

> >> From: "B. Oliver Sheppard"

> >> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> >> Cc:

> >> Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

> >>

> >> I like the Killng Joke hammer & sickle logo. I'm pretty sure  

> Alex is

> >> right that it is an ultimately meaningless thing, a kind of punk- 

> era

> >> playing with ideological symbols of the past to be provocative  

> -- the

> >> Sex Pistols wore swastikas, they did also wear commie symbols  

> (and not

> >> just in the Alex Cox movie) while bands like Durruti Column were  

> named

> >> after an anarchist band, and Crass of course employed the  

> crossed-out

> >> cross and circle-A, though, dammit, they were serious. Punk started

> >> all

> >> that "let;s use provocative political symbols to get a rise out of

> >> people" stuff.

> >>

> >> A few years ago there was a trend of army green messenger bags with

> >> red

> >> stars on them, or black shirts with a big red star on the, probably

> >> intended to invoke associations w/ communism and/or anarcho-

> >> syndicalism.

> >> Of these are all made by capitalist outfitters. It's one of those

> >> punk-started things that percolated up into mass market conusmerist

> >> culture.

> >>

> >> Jaz's political statements have been so wild and varied over the

> >> years I

> >> dunno where to consistently place him on any scale.

> >>

> >> They also used Nazis saluting a pope! One of my fave band- 

> appropriated

> >> images ever used. :)

> >>

> >> -Oliver

> >>

> >>

> >> Frank Frik wrote:

> >> > And perhaps British labour goverment wouldn't be offended...lnew

> >> > labour from communists is not that far....swastica defended/ 

> and do

> >> > the ''conservationist democrat centrist right wing. partys''.

> >> >

> >> > */Mister Black /* wrote:

> >>

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