[kj] Killing joke and Communism

[Frank Frik]

I just hope that bloody russian communist party makes angry Germans. Knowing that Allies are zusammen....together....This time bastards soviets will not even see our soldiers dying. Robots will do the job.

Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:  The moon rises red over Moscow Vladimir!


> and Brendon.

>

> Mister Black wrote: Che Gue Vara :

> Where does he fit in? Is his image rebellious or offensive or is it

> something that is adhered to? Does anyone own a Che Gue Vara T-shirt? I

> think that they look so naff , I cant see anyone on this list owing a

> Che Gue Vara t-shirt or poster , except for maybe Tin .

>

> =======================================Message Received: Aug 21 2007,

> 09:55 PM

> From: "B. Oliver Sheppard"

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> Cc:

> Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

>

> I like the Killng Joke hammer & sickle logo. I'm pretty sure Alex is

> right that it is an ultimately meaningless thing, a kind of punk-era

> playing with ideological symbols of the past to be provocative -- the

> Sex Pistols wore swastikas, they did also wear commie symbols (and not

> just in the Alex Cox movie) while bands like Durruti Column were named

> after an anarchist band, and Crass of course employed the crossed-out

> cross and circle-A, though, dammit, they were serious. Punk started all

> that "let;s use provocative political symbols to get a rise out of

> people" stuff.

>

> A few years ago there was a trend of army green messenger bags with red

> stars on them, or black shirts with a big red star on the, probably

> intended to invoke associations w/ communism and/or anarcho-syndicalism.

> Of these are all made by capitalist outfitters. It's one of those

> punk-started things that percolated up into mass market conusmerist

> culture.

>

> Jaz's political statements have been so wild and varied over the years I

> dunno where to consistently place him on any scale.

>

> They also used Nazis saluting a pope! One of my fave band-appropriated

> images ever used. :)

>

> -Oliver

>

>

> Frank Frik wrote:

>> And perhaps British labour goverment wouldn't be offended...lnew

>> labour from communists is not that far....swastica defended/and do

>> the ''conservationist democrat centrist right wing. partys''.

>>

>> */Mister Black /* wrote:

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