[kj] Killing joke and Communism

[Frank Frik]

My view is this: soviets would swop not only their shit symbols to offend Germans, but do anything impossible and provocative to get Germans angry...well, the WWII end was wrong. There Germans should win. If they want more there shouldnt be problems...putin now getting china in....kakakakakaka....................china fighting kakakakakaka

Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:  No offence intended! :)


> brendan, are you talking here to me or to Mister Black. I am German, no

> offence taken.

>

> Brendan wrote: Do you have some mad hatter's hat

> with words cut out from a Czech

> newspaper that you get your blindfolded pet monkey to reach into randomly

> and hand to you half-chewed, and then type into emails one handed with a

> mallet while on an amphetamine binge...by any chance? Cos that's the

> effect I'm getting...no offence ;p

>

>> And perhaps British labour goverment wouldn't be offended...lnew labour

>> from communists is not that far....swastica defended/and do the

>> ''conservationist democrat centrist right wing. partys''.

>>

>> Mister Black wrote: image designed to shock and

>> offend (witness Alex Cox's revisionist switching of the swastika to the

>> soviet hammer-n'-sickle symbol on Sid Vicious' red t-shirt in the

>> slavishly overrated "Sid & Nancy.")"

>>

>> :) Why did the editor do that? Maybe it was to offend all the original

>> punks who went to see the movie . Would that be classed as ironic? Left

>> wing punks being offended because they took Sids Swastika off and

>> replaced it with a Hammer and Sickle !!!!!!!!!. Makes me chuckle

>> thinking about it . Is that the ultimate offensive statement , the only

>> person in the whole world who wouldnt be offended by that is Greg

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> =======================================Message Received: Aug 21 2007,

>> 06:48 PM

>> From: "Alexander Smith"

>> To: ssssssssss at fsmail.net, "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>> band!)"

>> Cc:

>> Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

>>

>>

>>

>> I have to say, I've always been somewhat baffled by the hammer-n'-sickle

>> iconography as well. My guess is that it's merely an appropriation of an

>> image designed to shock and offend (witness Alex Cox's revisionist

>> switching of the swastika to the soviet hammer-n'-sickle symbol on Sid

>> Vicious' red t-shirt in the slavishly overrated "Sid & Nancy.")

>>

>>

>> Killing Joke -- much like many of their post-punk peers -- always

>> seemed to flirt with Cold War imagery, so I'm guessing it stems from

>> that. I don't believe they espouse any Leninist ideals, however.

>>

>>

>> Could be wrong, though.

>>

>>

>> Alex in NYC

>>

>>

>>

>> On Aug 21, 2007, at 1:15 PM, Mister Black wrote:

>>

>> I dont recall Killing Joke ever supporting the Communist cause , they

>> have on numerous occasions rejected the Capitalist school of thought

>> , but theyve never actually come out if favour of Communism , so I

>> cannot understand why the Hammer and Syckle featured on the cover of

>> the live DVD . Have Killing Joke ever given their support to any

>> Politicians or Political party ?

>>

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