[kj] Jaz Straw

ade ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk
Wed Oct 11 18:21:12 EDT 2006


Oh no, I'm not generalising that it's 'keeping wimmin down' in all cases.
Obviously not. But to ignore
that reality is wrong too. I'm against the cooontish use of these things,
primarily.

The thing is.. Mohammeds' words on the matter are still open to discussion,
so like the Bible Belt
view on fags & abortions, the words are reinterpreted time & again, just
like/as political arguments.
And like the Bible Belt, those arguments can be turned on all sorts of
people who're frowned upon.
Like women with rights!


ade

  -----Original Message-----
  From: culturevirus [mailto:culturevirus at yahoo.com]
  Sent: 11 October 2006 02:17
  To: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk; A list about all things Killing Joke (the
band!)
  Subject: RE: [kj] Jaz Straw


  coming out of lurkdom again... being a US based person, the politics of
Britain are mostly unknown to me, but we have roughly the same set of
circumstances in the US. I have yet to hear/read of any of our politicians
speaking on the subject in such a level-headed manner as Mr. Straw. Our
politicians tend to speak in small words and short sentences so as to
discourage deep thought on issues and therefore maintain knee-jerk voting
based on political hatred for "the other party".

  Ade's comment (echoed by a few others) reflects the way a lot of us
Westerners view the hijab: as a way to keep women down or force women to
shoulder the burden of policing the male sexual drive. I know part of me
feels that way as well. But as Straw pointed out early in his column, many
women do choose to wear head coverings of some type. If you ask these women
many of them will respond that like school uniforms it keeps them equal with
their peers and reduces the distraction of clothing differences and focuses
peoples attentions on the wearer and not the clothes. Such clothing can make
women feel empowered as they no longer face distracted men who are (even
subconciously) checking out their physical features and are forced to deal
with the woman as a social equal.

  I recently read a book on the history of The Habit (Catholic nun garb) and
many nuns feel the same way. Within the communities of these women there is
disagreement over whether such attire has an overall positive or negative
affect on their place in society. Nearly all agree however, that it sets
them apart from other women and puts them in a frame of reference that is
unique among their sex.

  In a perfect world women will choose to wear such attire for what they
feel it does for them as a person and not what their sub-culture expects of
them.

  I am culturevirus

  ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
    I dunno. I just think it's odd to defend a way of keeping women down.
Nevertheless, I'll defend the right
    to wear the things!
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Jim Harper [mailto:jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk]
      Sent: 10 October 2006 21:32
      To: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk; A list about all things Killing Joke
(the band!)
      Subject: RE: [kj] Jaz Straw


      So I take I'm missing the real issue then?

      ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
        Look, I'll make my point again - imagine the subject has no colour,
so we're not talking about race
        now. That seems to be the subtext on BOTH sides in many cases. Now
imagine a subject female
        being told she has to cover up *her* 'adornments'. Sort've puts the
blame at her door doesn't it.

        It's like as if the 'institutionalised treatment of women as cattle'
is shorted out by the 'race' aspect.

        A lefty nightmare.


        ade.




----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
  How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call
rates.
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://four.pairlist.net/pipermail/gathering/attachments/20061011/8ec3cdfe/attachment.htm


More information about the Gathering mailing list