[kj] Jaz Straw

[ade]

Fair comment Bobert, Straw's just showboating. He just happens to have hit
the nail on the head by luck probably!

Someone shoot the cooont, quick!

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  From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On
Behalf Of Robert Mallett
  Sent: 11 October 2006 12:54
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
  Subject: Re: [kj] Jaz Straw


  But as Straw pointed out early in his column, many women do choose to wear
head coverings of some type. If you ask these women many of them will
respond that like school uniforms it keeps them equal with their peers and
reduces the distraction of clothing differences and focuses peoples
attentions on the wearer and not the clothes. Such clothing can make women
feel empowered as they no longer face distracted men who are (even
subconciously) checking out their physical features and are forced to deal
with the woman as a social equal.

   Are you really trying to tell me that a New Labour politician like Jack
Straw is seriously making these statements out of a sense of welfare for
Muslim women? OK, he's a constituency MP for an area that is heavily Muslim,
but did he choose to go there and represent them. He is, is he not, Jewish
after all? Straw is a career politician for God's sake, all that matters to
him is his career and his career prospects and nothing else.

  bob
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    From: fluw
    To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
    Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:38 PM
    Subject: Re: [kj] Jaz Straw


    very well put perspective...top notch post culturevirus. thanks for that

    culturevirus wrote:
      coming out of lurkdom again... being a US based person, the politics
of Britain are mostly unknown to me, but we have roughly the same set of
circumstances in the US. I have yet to hear/read of any of our politicians
speaking on the subject in such a level-headed manner as Mr. Straw. Our
politicians tend to speak in small words and short sentences so as to
discourage deep thought on issues and therefore maintain knee-jerk voting
based on political hatred for "the other party".

      Ade's comment (echoed by a few others) reflects the way a lot of us
Westerners view the hijab: as a way to keep women down or force women to
shoulder the burden of policing the male sexual drive. I know part of me
feels that way as well. But as Straw pointed out early in his column, many
women do choose to wear head coverings of some type. If you ask these women
many of them will respond that like school uniforms it keeps them equal with
their peers and reduces the distraction of clothing differences and focuses
peoples attentions on the wearer and not the clothes. Such clothing can make
women feel empowered as they no longer face distracted men who are (even
subconciously) checking out their physical features and are forced to deal
with the woman as a social equal.

      I recently read a book on the history of The Habit (Catholic nun garb)
and many nuns feel the same way. Within the communities of these women there
is disagreement over whether such attire has an overall positive or negative
affect on their place in society. Nearly all agree however, that it sets
them apart from other women and puts them in a frame of reference that is
unique among their sex.

      In a perfect world women will choose to wear such attire for what they
feel it does for them as a person and not what their sub-culture expects of
them.

      I am culturevirus

      ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
        I dunno. I just think it's odd to defend a way of keeping women
down. Nevertheless, I'll defend the right
        to wear the things!




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