[kj] Re: comebacks / reunions

Alexander Smith vassifer at earthlink.net
Sun Oct 8 15:00:16 EDT 2006


Bands I'd love to see reform:

COP SHOOT COP - They'll never do it, but they're at least talking to  
each other again -- could re-issues be far behind?
FIRST AND LAST-era SISTERS OF MERCY -- C'mon, get Wayne and Andy and  
Craig on the same stage again!
ACE-era MOTORHEAD - Lemmy, Philthy and Fast Eddie.

Alex in NYC




On Oct 8, 2006, at 2:20 PM, shaun wrote:

> Hi Everyone Well seeing as everyones adding their favorite  
> comebacks I'd
> like to say that
> The Bauhaus gigs where top form, also Dead Can Dance, at the forum  
> which was
> one of the
> most amazing shows I can say I've seen. Siouxsie's Dream show was  
> equally on
> par, nad certainly
> well worth the ticket price. I Saw Gang of four, at the O2 fest  
> this year,
> but there set was ruined
> with a poor soundmix and felt quite sorry for them. And The Cult,  
> the other
> month was blinding.
>
> Bands I would love to see reform.
>
> Gaye Bikers on Acid, I hear, they are still talking to each other,  
> and only
> one of the members not sure who, is#nt keen on the idea.
>
> Adam and The Ants, Origanle line up of course (with the exception  
> of Marco),
> but with Ant's Illness, I guess this will never happen.
>
> And lastly, the Virgin Prunes.
>
> there are probrably more, but these are my main three
>
>
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>    1. Re: A Different Sort of "Gathering" (OT) (TB)
>    2. Re: A Different Sort of "Gathering" (OT) (TB)
>    3. Re: Please don't feed the troll (flight Bringer)
>    4. RE: Hang Ups (flight Bringer)
>    5. Re: comebacks / reunions (flight Bringer)
>    6. Re: Symphonic Killing Joke! (flight Bringer)
>    7. Re: comebacks / reunions (flight Bringer)
>    8. Re: (OT) Here's A Band That Believes In Their New Album
>       (flight Bringer)
>    9. Re: Symphonic Killing Joke! (flight Bringer)
>   10. Re: Symphonic Killing Joke! (Leigh Newton)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:00:31 -0700
> From: "TB" <Partyslammer at socal.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [kj] A Different Sort of "Gathering" (OT)
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"
> 	<gathering at misera.net>
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> "sade1" wrote:
>
>
>>  The two riffs I usually try when picking up a guitar in a guitar  
>> shop is
>>  Van Halen's "You Really Got Me" (cheesy, i know) and Geordie's
>> masterpiece opening riff on "Mathematics Of Chaos." They just  
>> sound fun
>> and dirty to me. ;~)
>
> For me, it depends on the guitar or bass I'm looking at buying.
>
> For guitar, I might play a bit of Van Halen's "Unchained" or Ozzy's  
> "Flying
> High Again" along with just about anything off The Cult's  
> "Electric" album
> especially if I'm looking at a Les Paul. If I'm looking at a  
> Telecaster, I
> always play a bit of Brian James/Lords of the New Church stuff or  
> some Keith
> Richards shit. Big ol' hollow body Gretches are fun although I  
> never get
> that rockabilly sound like Brian Setzer gets. When I'm screwing  
> around with
> a bass, I'll start off playing the intro to Iron Maiden's "The  
> Clarvoyant"
> or the fast bass line in the tail end of "Ryme of the Ancient  
> Mariner" along
> with The Lord's "Dance With Me" and Jane's Addiction's "Addiction's  
> Mountain
> Song" as well as any number of U2 tunes that're bass-based.
>
> Most of Geordie's riffs I don't feel comfortable playing unless I  
> have a
> shitload of effects chained up to make it sound reasonably right.
>
> T.B.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:34:01 -0700
> From: "TB" <Partyslammer at socal.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [kj] A Different Sort of "Gathering" (OT)
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"
> 	<gathering at misera.net>
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> "Stephen Robinson" wrote:
>>
>>>  The two riffs I usually try when picking up a guitar in a guitar  
>>> shop is
>>> Van Halen's "You Really Got Me" (cheesy, i know)
>>
>>
>> My mistake, does look like Van Halen did take that song then, I  
>> take it
>> you're American?
>
> Although I fail to see what that has to do with anything, yes, I'm an
> American.
>
>> Maybe you're right about the effect on groups of Van Halen, on say  
>> Judas
>> Priest for example, maybe it's even more than just fret tapping  
>> and all
>> that
>> stuff.
>>
>> As for technical skill on instruments, I simply don't care about huge
>> expanses of technical ability, I'd much rather listen to someone  
>> trying
>> something new and exciting, than a bland technically efficient  
>> session
>> muso,
>> even if he does have more 'chops'.
>
> Don't get me wrong, for me personally, I have equal appreciation  
> for a guy
> like Johnny Thunders as well as Ywgwie Malmsteen. There's room at  
> both ends
> of the spectrum for me to dig players of all styles and technical  
> skill
> levels. I just think you're cutting yourself off from possibly  
> enjoying some
> bands and artists by pre-defining a select set of parameters to  
> enjoy rock
> n' roll music.
>
>> I think very few people listen to music because they have much  
>> intrest in
>> the skill required to play it.
>
> While I agree to a point that the average person who goes to a few  
> concerts
> and listens to typical rock n' roll has little interest in how a  
> guitar solo
> is played or what key a song is in, virtually anyone can pick up  
> and respond
> to basic songwriting and live performance craft and quality. That's  
> why a
> band like The Beatles are still so huge and a band like The Germs  
> have such
> a miniscule cult following. Just banging away tuneless noise on your
> instruments with a lot of manic energy can only get you so far.
>
> T.B.
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 23:50:14 +0100
> From: "flight Bringer" <flightbringer at hotmail.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [kj] Please don't feed the troll
> To: gathering at misera.net
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> Dont you have any fund raising to be getting on with?
>   Maybe you could post a link to Jesters hospital weblog , I recal him
> saying that he has his own personal site on a Hospital web page .  
> Could you
> post a link to this hospital web page so that I can check his  
> progress .
> Thanks
>
>
>> From: Scarlet <lucyfyre at gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
>> band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>> To: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk, "A list about all things Killing  
>> Joke (the
>> band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
>> Subject: Re: [kj] Please don't feed the troll
>> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 13:31:20 -0700
>>
>> OH I am not...I think the "retaliators" are spot on! But a troll is a
>> troll...he needs attention, any attention good or bad..he's  
>> probably at
>> home
>> jerking off to all the retaliation as we speak.
>>
>> "They hate me...oooo...baby hate me more..I don't care what you  
>> say, just
>> keep saying it...till...I...arhhhh"
>>
>> Wil
>> Love
>>  ALWays
>>
>> Scarlet
>>
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> Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 00:12:56 +0100
> From: "flight Bringer" <flightbringer at hotmail.co.uk>
> Subject: RE: [kj] Hang Ups
> To: gathering at misera.net
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> I dont have a mobile phone. I have an aversion to telephones on  
> general . I
> ve never even used a mobile phone before , let alone owned one . I  
> ve never
> used a microwave oven before either, I still dont trust them .
>   I have quite large hands and just hold them up to my ear , that  
> does the
> trick .
>
>
>> From: "Joe Casavola" <elipsis44 at hotmail.com>
>> Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
>> band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>> To: gathering at misera.net
>> Subject: RE: [kj] Hang Ups
>> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 19:48:35 -0700
>>
>>
>>
>> What if you don't have a phone??
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From:  MARK SAXTON <ranjeef at btopenworld.com>
>> Reply-To:  "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
>> band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>> To:  "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>> <gathering at misera.net>
>> Subject:  RE: [kj] Hang Ups
>> Date:  Thu, 5 Oct 2006 09:44:11 +0100 (BST)
>>
>>
>> Funny that your "hang up" or "condition" (schizophrenia?) is
>> countered/remedied by "answering your phone"
>>
>> flight Bringer <flightbringer at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> Can we practice some quality control on this list.
>> Can we inherit some standards .
>> Van Halen are shoite .
>> You can mention Janes addiction, but thats as far as you go .
>> Nothing crappier than them , to be mentioned
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: "TB"
>>> Reply-To: TB ,"A list about all things Killing
>>> Joke (the band!)"
>>> To: "Alex Smith" ,"A list about all things Killing
>>> Joke (the band!)"
>>> Subject: [kj] A Different Sort of "Gathering" (OT)
>>> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:04:09 -0700
>>>
>>> Saturday night, Eddie Van Halen hosted a
>> party for the recent release of
>>> the arty hardcore XXX movie his director friend Michael Ninn  
>>> recently
>>> produced that Eddie contributed a couple instrumental tracks for.  
>>> From
>> all
>>> accounts it reminded me of the infamous Bevery Hills mansion  
>>> party Jane's
>>> Addiction hosted (and could be seen on their "3 Days"  
>>> documentary) in
>> '97:
>>>
>>> Long Thread on Van Halen fan site including photos:
>>> http://www.vhlinks.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=34002
>>>
>>> Article / review
>>> http://tinyurl.com/p5aat
>>>
>>> Photos
>>> http://tinyurl.com/hoy4y
>>>
>>> T.B.
>>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 01:19:41 +0100
> From: "flight Bringer" <flightbringer at hotmail.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [kj] comebacks / reunions
> To: gathering at misera.net
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> Tribal drums are so dated . So bow wow wowish . Tribal drumming  
> hasn't stood
> the test of time . Firedances seems from bygone era, although  
> Revelations
> still sound as fresh as a piece  of Sushi still on the end of a  
> fishermans
> hook
>
>
>> From: "Daniel Corvo" <danielcorvo at hotmail.co.uk>
>> Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
>> band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>> To: Partyslammer at socal.rr.com, gathering at misera.net
>> Subject: Re: [kj] comebacks / reunions
>> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 07:58:29 +0000
>>
>> I miss the tribal drums, Revelations and Fire Dances for me.
>>
>>
>>> From: "TB" <Partyslammer at socal.rr.com>
>>> Reply-To: TB <Partyslammer at socal.rr.com>,"A list about all things  
>>> Killing
>>> Joke (the band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [kj] comebacks / reunions
>>> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 12:05:20 -0700
>>>
>>> "flight Bringer" sez:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I dont believe in comebacks . Once bands have split up that  
>>>> should be
>>>> final .. The amount of bands who have made comebacks is  
>>>> phenomenal .
>>>> There are only two bands who I can think of who haven't made a  
>>>> comeback .
>>>> The Jam and Crass ..
>>>>   I suppose that band members get fed up with their mundane jobs  
>>>> and
>>>> decide to "get back on the road".
>>>>  I cant think of any band that has been better or made better  
>>>> music ,
>>>> second time around .
>>>
>>> I think KJ2003 is the best thing the band ever did.
>>>
>>> T.B.
>>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 01:25:35 +0100
> From: "flight Bringer" <flightbringer at hotmail.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [kj] Symphonic Killing Joke!
> To: gathering at misera.net
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> Strange. I just had a vision of Jaz and Geordie doing Swan lake .
>
>
>
>> From: fatpotanga <fatpotanga at gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
>> band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>> To: The Gathering <gathering at misera.net>
>> Subject: Re: [kj] Symphonic Killing Joke!
>> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 13:29:38 +0100
>>
>> On 6/10/06 13:23, "nicholas fitzpatrick" wrote:
>>
>>> Actually I think you're right. I'd like to hear symphonic Killing  
>>> Joke
>> as
>>> much as I'd like to see Raven and Geordie dance ballet to it.
>>
>> Hell I'd pay to see that!
>>
>> Symphonic KJ or KJ unplugged with orchestra.
>> I think it'd work well.
>> I'm not overly keen on cats though.
>>
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> Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 01:31:03 +0100
> From: "flight Bringer" <flightbringer at hotmail.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [kj] comebacks / reunions
> To: gathering at misera.net
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> I appreciate you not using the word "Awesome"  .I can overlook your  
> remarks
> about Kiss due to your non usage of "Awesome"
>
>
>> From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>> Reply-To: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>,"A list about all  
>> things
>> Killing Joke (the band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>> To: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>, "A list about all things  
>> Killing
>> Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>, "A list about all things  
>> Killing
>> Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>, "A list about all things  
>> Killing
>> Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
>> Subject: Re: [kj] comebacks / reunions
>> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:47:39 -0400 (EDT)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh, and the Buzzcocks reunion show at the New Ritz in `89 was one  
>> of the
>> most amazing, energetic shows I've ever witnessed.
>>
>> Alex in NYC
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alex Smith
>> Sent: Oct 6, 2006 11:45 AM
>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" , "A list  
>> about all
>> things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>> Subject: Re: [kj] comebacks / reunions
>>
>>
>> Alrighty, I'll add my two cents.
>>
>> Bauhaus reunion (the first one, which resulted in the entirely  
>> superfluous
>> GOTHAM live album); AWESOME.
>>
>> Gang of Four reunion - ABSOLUTELY STUNNING (especially after  
>> seeing them
>> limp through the motions circa MALL and SHRINKWRAPPED).
>>
>> and up yours, haters....KISS reunion (full make-up) in `96. GODLIKE.
>>
>> Alex in NYC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Brian Whitehead
>> Sent: Oct 6, 2006 9:28 AM
>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>> Subject: Re: [kj] comebacks / reunions
>>
>>
>> Some recent favourites...
>> Gang Of Four - the come back gig in Manchester was blistering, one  
>> of the
>> best gigs I've ever been to.
>> Chameleons - again some fantstic come back gigs. The new (then) CD  
>> was
>> dire. Now split again.
>> Senser - OK gigs, fantastic new CD. Still going.
>> Pixies - great gigs and no more records. Still doing more gigs ?
>> Would love to see the Sugarcubes gig in Iceland.
>>
>> Should get back together - the KJ of the WTF.../Revelations era
>>
>> Brian.
>>
>>
>> On 06/10/06, sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>  I also liked the Bauhaus reunions. The '98 reunion was hailed as  
>> better
>> than their 80s
>> performances, and the 2005 tour was even better than the '98 tour.  
>> IMO
>> however Peter mellowed his performance, Daniel Ash (w/bass  
>> backbone of
>> David J)
>> more than made up for. His playing is superphenomenal live.
>>   And Gang Of Four in 2005, tho' never saw 'em 1st time round,  
>> were better
>> than any
>> rock gig i've ever seen. Also, i've never seen a better  
>> channelling and
>> incarnation of
>> the crowd's primal urges during the show.
>>
>>  As for KJ, a true experiment, yay verily, a True experiment would be
>> Geordie to
>> reunite with Big Paul and Youth to record a CD of what-ev-er-they- 
>> want.
>> [Jaz can only contribute on 2 tracks maximum, and only if he  
>> masters that
>> Tibetan chanting style of singing more than 1 note at a time;  
>> chanting in
>> fregkin' chords! Ha.]
>>
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> Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 01:53:50 +0100
> From: "flight Bringer" <flightbringer at hotmail.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Here's A Band That Believes In Their New Album
> To: gathering at misera.net
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> My Mum used to work with one of Iron Maidens original members Mum, the
> drummer i think it was. All the other quit their jobs in order to  
> devote
> their time to Iron Maiden but the quit the band in order to remain  
> in his
> job believing that they would never make it
>
>
>> From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>> Reply-To: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>,"A list about all  
>> things
>> Killing Joke (the band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>> To: TB <Partyslammer at socal.rr.com>, "A list about all things  
>> Killing Joke
>> (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>, "A list about all things  
>> Killing Joke
>> (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Here's A Band That Believes In Their New Album
>> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 16:33:23 -0400 (EDT)
>>
>>
>> I'm going next week to see them when they plough into town, and if  
>> they
>> just do the new stuff, I'm going to be well and truly upset.
>>
>> Alex in NYC
>>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 10:44:19 +0100
> From: "flight Bringer" <flightbringer at hotmail.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [kj] Symphonic Killing Joke!
> To: gathering at misera.net
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> Dont worry Fat . You will not be going to hell . There is no such  
> place as
> Heaven or Hell .
>   You will eventually expire and then get turned into cinders and  
> spread in
> a scenic place or buried on a cemetery . Or may even die a lonely  
> old man
> and pass away unnoticed in your house and not be discovered for  
> three years
> and will then make the front page of your local newspaper. Or you  
> may even
> drown at sea and get eaten by the fishes. Speaking of which , did  
> you hear
> about those villains recently  who killed some junkie and fed him  
> to the
> pigs . Pigs leave nothing from a human carcass except bones .
>
>
>> From: fatpotanga <fatpotanga at gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
>> band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>> To: The Gathering <gathering at misera.net>
>> Subject: Re: [kj] Symphonic Killing Joke!
>> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:36:55 +0100
>>
>> On 6/10/06 13:54, "Phillipps Marc" wrote:
>>
>>> They say nice things about you . .
>>
>> I'm going to hell aren't I?
>>
>>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 02:58:50 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Leigh Newton <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [kj] Symphonic Killing Joke!
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"
> 	<gathering at misera.net>
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> Bricktop had it right.
>
>
> --- flight Bringer <flightbringer at hotmail.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Dont worry Fat . You will not be going to hell .
>> There is no such place as
>> Heaven or Hell .
>>   You will eventually expire and then get turned
>> into cinders and spread in
>> a scenic place or buried on a cemetery . Or may even
>> die a lonely old man
>> and pass away unnoticed in your house and not be
>> discovered for three years
>> and will then make the front page of your local
>> newspaper. Or you may even
>> drown at sea and get eaten by the fishes. Speaking
>> of which , did you hear
>> about those villains recently  who killed some
>> junkie and fed him to the
>> pigs . Pigs leave nothing from a human carcass
>> except bones .
>>
>>
>>> From: fatpotanga <fatpotanga at gmail.com>
>>> Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke
>> (the
>>> band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>>> To: The Gathering <gathering at misera.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Symphonic Killing Joke!
>>> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:36:55 +0100
>>>
>>> On 6/10/06 13:54, "Phillipps Marc" wrote:
>>>
>>>> They say nice things about you . .
>>>
>>> I'm going to hell aren't I?
>>>
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