[kj] Recent KJ trivia (and Raven)

Sat May 27 05:21:57 EDT 2006

yeah Raven's new "nu-metal" bass sound leaves me cold too, i'd much rather have his extremities or earlier sound, at least he stays in tune i suppose
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  From: parasikon 
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
  Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 4:23 AM
  Subject: Re: [kj] Recent KJ trivia (and Raven)

  Man,do i ever agree with what you're saying.I was one of the ones that got caught in Raven's crosshairs around the time when the War Machine first started rolling.Think i remember just going numb with silence because i couldn't at all believe that this narrow,insulting,shit spewing talk was coming from someone that i had somehow placed so highly.(First mistake)I turned on myself because i was so taken back that i thought i had everything all wrong.I'll still always love the bassplaying he's churned out on some of the older albums,but that's probably about as far as my interest goes these days.I don't really hold that much of an ill will or anything.Guess he's entitled to change his mind or spin on a dime if he wants.I'm just not a big fan of the sludgy,slow,lazy,turd burglaring new style of bass playing he's doing these days either.All that just makes me feel like setting the grass on fire in honor of all that is Youth because i know Raven could do so much more if he wanted.Ah well,hail the odd little flicker of flame that passes for Killing Joke these days,but just don't be too surprised if you see them opening up for  Fasterpussycat or White Lion or something next."Go Psycho" indeed. :)

  fluw <fluwdot at earthlink.net> wrote: 
    ironic, all the positive 'inseparable music and politics' talk from raven when but a few years ago he helped to intermit political conversation on this forum.

    yet now he is promoting this aspect of his new affiliation that is railing against bush administration "lies,lies,lies":
    when in 2001 - 2002, raven was on this and joe's forum calling to invade and "kill'em all" "sand nigger " remarks and lending aid for the blurring of the lines between al queda and iraq with vehement support of his forum buddy. all the while deriding and attempting to squelch people who challenged arguments for the war - 

    in 2001 - 2002 - so many were blinded by their anger and fear of recent terrorist events that the majority was effectively cowering at the thought of questioning invasions and war against "sand niggers"

    but now that the lies that were known then are accepted in the mainstream and all the war mongers are shown to be what they are and the majority is finally against the bush demagoguery machine and popstars are feeling cocky...looky here, so does big bird.

    what an attractive trait, constantly vacillating to the most fashionable insurrection...it is only fitting that a personality like this breeds animals for kill sport.
    what one is capable with innocent animals, so will be with humans. 

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    nicholas fitzpatrick wrote: 

      HEADLINE: Ministry is still raging against the machine 

      Pearl Jam and Neil Young may have their recently released anti-war albums, but when it comes to pure vitriolic revolution songs, Al Jourgensen and his industrial thrash band Ministry rails against George W. Bush like no one else. 

      Brimming with indignant rage, Ministry's new album, "Rio Grande Blood," recaptures the revolutionary spirit of the band's heyday (see 1992's "Psalm 69"). Through 10 blistering tracks, Jourgensen and his crew rant on topics ranging from corporate corruption ("Fear (Is Big Business)") to 9/11 ("Lies, Lies, Lies") to U.S. military policy ("Gangreen"). 

      Jourgensen takes shots at Dubya at every turn, asking a question on "Lies, Lies Lies": If the government truly has nothing to hide / Why are they afraid to answer a few questions? 

      Jourgensen incorporates an all-star team of musicians on the album and the subsequent tour (stopping at the House of Blues downtown Sunday night), including drummer Joey Jordison (Slipknot), guitarist Mike Scaccia (Rigor Mortis), keyboardist John Bechdel (Fear Factory, Prong) guitarist Tommy Victor (Prong) and bassist Paul Raven (Killing Joke). 

      "I think we represent the spirit of rebellion that has been very underground as far as music is concerned," said bassist Raven. "I can't tell you what all these industrial bands and people like Trent Reznor are doing. I got into music in 1977 in the time of punk rock. Music and politics has been inseparable." 

      About the tour, Raven said: "We call it Ministry on steroids, because everyone says it's the best they've heard the band. We take our cues off of a lot of what the fans say. They get online after every show and dissect the show. We look at that in the morning and take it in." 

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