[kj] Recent KJ trivia (and Raven)

Wed May 24 13:32:24 EDT 2006

I am not bringing up the merits (or lack there of) of this war to debate.  I 
am stating POSSIBLE reasons why RAVEN could change his mind.

My personal opinion is that "War is Big Business".

Chris

Fighting to find work in Detroit

>From: wscheip1 at aol.com
>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the 
>band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>To: gathering at misera.net
>Subject: Re: [kj] Recent KJ trivia (and Raven)
>Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:47:42 -0400
>
>War on terror is fine, but it's good to have a goal when you start these 
>things.
>
>From,
>Will
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Christof hamille <wessidetempest at hotmail.com>
>To: gathering at misera.net
>Sent: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:10:52 -0500
>Subject: Re: [kj] Recent KJ trivia (and Raven)
>
>
>Devil's Advocate here
>
>People are unable to change their opinions on this hot topic? Especially in 
>light of news that has surfaced since 2001. Shit since last month. And 
>isn't it possible to be for the "war on terror" but dislike Bush? Yes. Just 
>as you can be a republican and not like Bush.
>
>Chris
>
> >From: fluw <fluwdot at earthlink.net>
> >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the 
> >band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
> ><gathering at misera.net>
> >Subject: Re: [kj] Recent KJ trivia (and Raven)
> >Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:40:39 -0400
> >
> >no leigh, he is promoting it, by being in the band, participating in 
> >interviews, and lending support of the direction in those interviews.
> >
> >if he had any legitimacy he would stand by the things he said in 2001 - 
> >2002 and be in toby keith's band earning his meal ticket but alas, raven 
>is >a whore, a rebel for any cause. as long as the bass playing is mind 
> >numbingly simple and he gets to pretend to be a rock n roll warrior, he 
>is >content.
> >
> >Leigh Newton wrote:
> >>Raven's not promoting it, Al Jourgenson is. Raven's
> >>just earning a well deserved meal ticket just about
> >>the best and funnest way there is to do so.
> >>
> >>Leigh
> >>
> >>
> >>--- fluw <fluwdot at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>ironic, all the positive 'inseparable music and
> >>>politics' talk from raven when but a few years ago he helped to 
>intermit
> >>>political conversation on this forum.
> >>> yet now he is promoting this aspect of his new
> >>>affiliation that is railing against bush administration
> >>>"lies,lies,lies":
> >>>/when in 2001 - 2002/, raven was on this and joe's
> >>>forum calling to invade and "kill'em all" "sand nigger " remarks and
> >>>lending aid for the blurring of the lines between al queda and iraq 
>with
> >>>vehement support of his forum buddy. all the while deriding and
> >>>attempting to squelch people who *challenged* arguments *for the war* -
> >>>
> >>>/ in 2001/ - 2002 - so many were blinded by their
> >>>anger and fear of recent terrorist events that the majority was
> >>>effectively cowering at the thought of questioning invasions and war 
> >>>against
> >>>"sand niggers"
> >>>
> >>>but now that the lies that were known then are
> >>>accepted in the mainstream and all the war mongers are shown to be
> >>>what they are and the majority is finally against the bush demagoguery
> >>>machine and popstars are feeling cocky...looky here, so does big bird.
> >>>
> >>>what an attractive trait, constantly vacillating to
> >>>the most fashionable insurrection...it is only fitting that a 
>personality
> >>>like this breeds animals for kill sport.
> >>>what one is capable with innocent animals, so will
> >>>be with humans.
> >>>
> >>>*--------------------------------*
> >>>nicholas fitzpatrick wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>HEADLINE: Ministry is still raging against the
> >>>>
> >>>machine
> >>>
> >>>>Pearl Jam and Neil Young may have their recently
> >>>>
> >>>released anti-war
> >>>>albums, but when it comes to pure vitriolic
> >>>>
> >>>revolution songs, Al
> >>>>Jourgensen and his industrial thrash band Ministry
> >>>>
> >>>rails against
> >>>>George W. Bush like no one else.
> >>>>
> >>>>Brimming with indignant rage, Ministry's new
> >>>>
> >>>album, "Rio Grande
> >>>>Blood," recaptures the revolutionary spirit of the
> >>>>
> >>>band's heyday (see
> >>>>1992's "Psalm 69"). Through 10 blistering tracks,
> >>>>
> >>>Jourgensen and his
> >>>>crew rant on topics ranging from corporate
> >>>>
> >>>corruption ("Fear (Is Big
> >>>>Business)") to 9/11 ("Lies, Lies, Lies") to U.S.
> >>>>
> >>>military policy
> >>>>("Gangreen").
> >>>>
> >>>>Jourgensen takes shots at Dubya at every turn,
> >>>>
> >>>asking a question on
> >>>>"Lies, Lies Lies": If the government truly has
> >>>>
> >>>nothing to hide / Why
> >>>>are they afraid to answer a few questions?
> >>>>
> >>>>Jourgensen incorporates an all-star team of
> >>>>
> >>>musicians on the album and
> >>>>the subsequent tour (stopping at the House of
> >>>>
> >>>Blues downtown Sunday
> >>>>night), including drummer Joey Jordison
> >>>>
> >>>(Slipknot), guitarist Mike
> >>>>Scaccia (Rigor Mortis), keyboardist John Bechdel
> >>>>
> >>>(Fear Factory, Prong)
> >>>>guitarist Tommy Victor (Prong) and bassist Paul
> >>>>
> >>>Raven (Killing Joke).
> >>>
> >>>>"I think we represent the spirit of rebellion that
> >>>>
> >>>has been very
> >>>>underground as far as music is concerned," said
> >>>>
> >>>bassist Raven. "I
> >>>>can't tell you what all these industrial bands and
> >>>>
> >>>people like Trent
> >>>>Reznor are doing. I got into music in 1977 in the
> >>>>
> >>>time of punk rock.
> >>>>Music and politics has been inseparable."
> >>>>
> >>>>About the tour, Raven said: "We call it Ministry
> >>>>
> >>>on steroids, because
> >>>>everyone says it's the best they've heard the
> >>>>
> >>>band. We take our cues
> >>>>off of a lot of what the fans say. They get online
> >>>>
> >>>after every show
> >>>>and dissect the show. We look at that in the
> >>>>
> >>>morning and take it in."
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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