[kj] Recent KJ trivia (and Raven)
fluw
fluwdot at earthlink.net
Wed May 24 13:22:53 EDT 2006
yes, of course people can/should change their minds but most of the
arguments against bush and his war then, are the same as they are widely
accepted now, and nothing about raven and his yes men's squelching
efforts had anything to do with some cognizant opinion or facts. their
point had more to do with the endorphin addictions that they enjoy from
general reactionary confrontation. a bonding experience for those in the
western hemisphere and on the list who are habitually aggressive people.
they don't care what the facts are, just do something in response with
vigor and without thought for consequence cause it is better than being
a bored westerner.
which ever way the wind blows
*o* peration
*i* raqi
*l* iberation
Alex Smith wrote:
> I'm not necessarily defending Raven (let's remember his KILL A COMMIE FOR YOUR MOMMY shirt circa NWOBFG), but just being the devil's advocate for a moment: like everyone else on the earth, he's allowed to chance his mind, right?
>
> Alex in NYC
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: fluw <fluwdot at earthlink.net>
>> Sent: May 24, 2006 11:40 AM
>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
>> Subject: Re: [kj] Recent KJ trivia (and Raven)
>>
>> no leigh, he is promoting it, by being in the band, participating in
>> interviews, and lending support of the direction in those interviews.
>>
>> if he had any legitimacy he would stand by the things he said in 2001 -
>> 2002 and be in toby keith's band earning his meal ticket but alas, raven
>> is a whore, a rebel for any cause. as long as the bass playing is mind
>> numbingly simple and he gets to pretend to be a rock n roll warrior, he
>> is content.
>>
>> Leigh Newton wrote:
>>
>>> Raven's not promoting it, Al Jourgenson is. Raven's
>>> just earning a well deserved meal ticket just about
>>> the best and funnest way there is to do so.
>>>
>>> Leigh
>>>
>>>
>>> --- fluw <fluwdot at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ironic, all the positive 'inseparable music and
>>>> politics' talk from
>>>> raven when but a few years ago he helped to intermit
>>>> political
>>>> conversation on this forum.
>>>>
>>>> yet now he is promoting this aspect of his new
>>>> affiliation that is
>>>> railing against bush administration
>>>> "lies,lies,lies":
>>>> /when in 2001 - 2002/, raven was on this and joe's
>>>> forum calling to
>>>> invade and "kill'em all" "sand nigger " remarks and
>>>> lending aid for the
>>>> blurring of the lines between al queda and iraq with
>>>> vehement support of
>>>> his forum buddy. all the while deriding and
>>>> attempting to squelch people
>>>> who *challenged* arguments *for the war* -
>>>>
>>>> / in 2001/ - 2002 - so many were blinded by their
>>>> anger and fear of
>>>> recent terrorist events that the majority was
>>>> effectively cowering at
>>>> the thought of questioning invasions and war against
>>>> "sand niggers"
>>>>
>>>> but now that the lies that were known then are
>>>> accepted in the
>>>> mainstream and all the war mongers are shown to be
>>>> what they are and the
>>>> majority is finally against the bush demagoguery
>>>> machine and popstars
>>>> are feeling cocky...looky here, so does big bird.
>>>>
>>>> what an attractive trait, constantly vacillating to
>>>> the most fashionable
>>>> insurrection...it is only fitting that a personality
>>>> like this breeds
>>>> animals for kill sport.
>>>> what one is capable with innocent animals, so will
>>>> be with humans.
>>>>
>>>> *--------------------------------*
>>>> nicholas fitzpatrick wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> HEADLINE: Ministry is still raging against the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> machine
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Pearl Jam and Neil Young may have their recently
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> released anti-war
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> albums, but when it comes to pure vitriolic
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> revolution songs, Al
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Jourgensen and his industrial thrash band Ministry
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> rails against
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> George W. Bush like no one else.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brimming with indignant rage, Ministry's new
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> album, "Rio Grande
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Blood," recaptures the revolutionary spirit of the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> band's heyday (see
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 1992's "Psalm 69"). Through 10 blistering tracks,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Jourgensen and his
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> crew rant on topics ranging from corporate
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> corruption ("Fear (Is Big
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Business)") to 9/11 ("Lies, Lies, Lies") to U.S.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> military policy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ("Gangreen").
>>>>>
>>>>> Jourgensen takes shots at Dubya at every turn,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> asking a question on
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Lies, Lies Lies": If the government truly has
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> nothing to hide / Why
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> are they afraid to answer a few questions?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jourgensen incorporates an all-star team of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> musicians on the album and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> the subsequent tour (stopping at the House of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Blues downtown Sunday
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> night), including drummer Joey Jordison
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> (Slipknot), guitarist Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Scaccia (Rigor Mortis), keyboardist John Bechdel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> (Fear Factory, Prong)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> guitarist Tommy Victor (Prong) and bassist Paul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Raven (Killing Joke).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "I think we represent the spirit of rebellion that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> has been very
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> underground as far as music is concerned," said
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> bassist Raven. "I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> can't tell you what all these industrial bands and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> people like Trent
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Reznor are doing. I got into music in 1977 in the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> time of punk rock.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Music and politics has been inseparable."
>>>>>
>>>>> About the tour, Raven said: "We call it Ministry
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> on steroids, because
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> everyone says it's the best they've heard the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> band. We take our cues
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> off of a lot of what the fans say. They get online
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> after every show
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> and dissect the show. We look at that in the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> morning and take it in."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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