[kj] Recent KJ trivia (and Raven)

[Alex Smith]

Wow -- Chris beat me to it. Creeeeeepy!

Alex in NYC


-----Original Message-----
>From: Christof hamille <wessidetempest at hotmail.com>
>Sent: May 24, 2006 12:10 PM
>To: gathering at misera.net
>Subject: Re: [kj] Recent KJ trivia (and Raven)
>
>Devil's Advocate here
>
>People are unable to change their opinions on this hot topic?  Especially in 
>light of news that has surfaced since 2001.  Shit since last month.  And 
>isn't it possible to be for the "war on terror" but dislike Bush?  Yes.  
>Just as you can be a republican and not like Bush.
>
>Chris
>
>
>>From: fluw <fluwdot at earthlink.net>
>>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the 
>>band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
>><gathering at misera.net>
>>Subject: Re: [kj] Recent KJ trivia (and Raven)
>>Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:40:39 -0400
>>
>>no leigh, he is promoting it, by being in the band, participating in 
>>interviews, and lending support of the direction in those interviews.
>>
>>if he had any legitimacy he would stand by the things he said in 2001 - 
>>2002 and be in toby keith's band earning his meal ticket but alas, raven is 
>>a whore, a rebel for any cause. as long as the bass playing is mind 
>>numbingly simple and he gets to pretend to be a rock n roll warrior, he is 
>>content.
>>
>>Leigh Newton wrote:
>>>Raven's not promoting it, Al Jourgenson is. Raven's
>>>just earning a well deserved meal ticket just about
>>>the best and funnest way there is to do so.
>>>
>>>Leigh
>>>
>>>
>>>--- fluw <fluwdot at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>ironic, all the positive 'inseparable music and
>>>>politics' talk from raven when but a few years ago he helped to intermit
>>>>political conversation on this forum.
>>>>  yet now he is promoting this aspect of his new
>>>>affiliation that is railing against bush administration
>>>>"lies,lies,lies":
>>>>/when in 2001 - 2002/, raven was on this and joe's
>>>>forum calling to invade and "kill'em all" "sand nigger " remarks and
>>>>lending aid for the blurring of the lines between al queda and iraq with
>>>>vehement support of his forum buddy. all the while deriding and
>>>>attempting to squelch people who *challenged* arguments *for the war* -
>>>>
>>>>/ in 2001/ - 2002 - so many were blinded by their
>>>>anger and fear of recent terrorist events that the majority was
>>>>effectively cowering at the thought of questioning invasions and war 
>>>>against
>>>>"sand niggers"
>>>>
>>>>but now that the lies that were known then are
>>>>accepted in the mainstream and all the war mongers are shown to be
>>>>what they are and the majority is finally against the bush demagoguery
>>>>machine and popstars are feeling cocky...looky here, so does big bird.
>>>>
>>>>what an attractive trait, constantly vacillating to
>>>>the most fashionable insurrection...it is only fitting that a personality
>>>>like this breeds animals for kill sport.
>>>>what one is capable with innocent animals, so will
>>>>be with humans.
>>>>
>>>>*--------------------------------*
>>>>nicholas fitzpatrick wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>HEADLINE: Ministry is still raging against the
>>>>>
>>>>machine
>>>>
>>>>>Pearl Jam and Neil Young may have their recently
>>>>>
>>>>released anti-war
>>>>>albums, but when it comes to pure vitriolic
>>>>>
>>>>revolution songs, Al
>>>>>Jourgensen and his industrial thrash band Ministry
>>>>>
>>>>rails against
>>>>>George W. Bush like no one else.
>>>>>
>>>>>Brimming with indignant rage, Ministry's new
>>>>>
>>>>album, "Rio Grande
>>>>>Blood," recaptures the revolutionary spirit of the
>>>>>
>>>>band's heyday (see
>>>>>1992's "Psalm 69"). Through 10 blistering tracks,
>>>>>
>>>>Jourgensen and his
>>>>>crew rant on topics ranging from corporate
>>>>>
>>>>corruption ("Fear (Is Big
>>>>>Business)") to 9/11 ("Lies, Lies, Lies") to U.S.
>>>>>
>>>>military policy
>>>>>("Gangreen").
>>>>>
>>>>>Jourgensen takes shots at Dubya at every turn,
>>>>>
>>>>asking a question on
>>>>>"Lies, Lies Lies": If the government truly has
>>>>>
>>>>nothing to hide / Why
>>>>>are they afraid to answer a few questions?
>>>>>
>>>>>Jourgensen incorporates an all-star team of
>>>>>
>>>>musicians on the album and
>>>>>the subsequent tour (stopping at the House of
>>>>>
>>>>Blues downtown Sunday
>>>>>night), including drummer Joey Jordison
>>>>>
>>>>(Slipknot), guitarist Mike
>>>>>Scaccia (Rigor Mortis), keyboardist John Bechdel
>>>>>
>>>>(Fear Factory, Prong)
>>>>>guitarist Tommy Victor (Prong) and bassist Paul
>>>>>
>>>>Raven (Killing Joke).
>>>>
>>>>>"I think we represent the spirit of rebellion that
>>>>>
>>>>has been very
>>>>>underground as far as music is concerned," said
>>>>>
>>>>bassist Raven. "I
>>>>>can't tell you what all these industrial bands and
>>>>>
>>>>people like Trent
>>>>>Reznor are doing. I got into music in 1977 in the
>>>>>
>>>>time of punk rock.
>>>>>Music and politics has been inseparable."
>>>>>
>>>>>About the tour, Raven said: "We call it Ministry
>>>>>
>>>>on steroids, because
>>>>>everyone says it's the best they've heard the
>>>>>
>>>>band. We take our cues
>>>>>off of a lot of what the fans say. They get online
>>>>>
>>>>after every show
>>>>>and dissect the show. We look at that in the
>>>>>
>>>>morning and take it in."
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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