[kj] reasons why BTATS is gash

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> the whole album sounds much like the worst aspects of 80s synth-era Cure

Eh? Well, I don't know where you get that from (example?) but you seem to be
more concerned with 'bits' of tunes than the whole thing. Maybe you have it
in for some of the classic 80's souds? Fair comment, I'd never listen to
Tears for Fears, but you see it's KILLING JOKE & they do things
DIFFERENTLY...
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  a)  the first 45 seconds of 'Love Of The Masses' including that fruity
little break at around 42 secs.  The whole song sounds like Tears For Fears.

  b)  'The Southern Sky'.  horrible.

  c)  the chorus in 'Victory' which ruins an otherwise sub-par but
inoffensive song.  the verses are probably one of the better things on the
album.  thin praise indeed.

  d)  'Rubicon'.  ooh... sinister guitar intro.... gives way to a riff which
sounds like everything else on this fucking record.  Maybe it's the
production but this is the most samey album they've done.  Stupid vocals on
this track as well, sounds like a new romantic Chas and Dave.

  e)  'Goodbye To The Village'... yet another weak, poppy chorus.
Non-descript bass.  the guitar sounds alright, even if the song sounds like
a poor Nighttime-era b-side.

  f)  'Sanity'.... horrible beat, horrible 'woah-oh's, horrible chorus
(again), horribly undermixed guitar.

  g)  'Exile'... where are you lady?  I'm in Club Tech-Noir.

  h)  horrible production.  Even Chessboards sounds paper-thin compared to
the live version on NWOBFG.

  i)  whats with all the slap-bass?

  the whole album sounds much like the worst aspects of 80s synth-era Cure
and sits VERY uncomfortably between the 3 early albums and EDAVRE onwards.

  it has a few moments of okayness.  Adorations remains the strongest thing
on it IMO but is ruined by Jaz's choirboy vocals and that 'as pain and joy
and sorrow...' bit.

  If Nighttime was chasing the dollar then BTATS grabbed it, put it in its
bra and did a whoreish lapdance.  Although partially I think it was their
attempt at being 'good' musicians even though Revelations shits on BTATS for
musicianship, attitude and variety.

  Although people say that OTG isnt a true KJ album etc etc it could only
have followed this record.  If it had come out after any of the others the
sharp change in direction would have marked them out as commercial whores
who like being bummed in the gob.  BTATS softened the blow, so to speak.



  Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com> wrote:
    yeah, what we need are the Geordie demos for those two albums.

    i agree with the king of potassium that BTATS sounds better the louder
you play it, precisely for the reason that it raises Geordie up in the mix.
shame the neighbours don't see it that way.

    On 5/9/06, Jpwhkj at aol.com < Jpwhkj at aol.com> wrote:
      You are right that the lyrics aren't up to much - but frankly Jaz's
lyrics have been on a terminal decline since he abandoned the "less is more"
approach... i.e. from Revelations onwards. (Lyrics on Revelations and Fire
Dances are ok, but not as good as 79-81.)

      What *makes* Night Time is Geordie's guitar. From late '83 onwards
(till the sadly under-mixed BTATS) you can hear the full beauty of "a
thousand orchestras playing at once".

      Right, I'm off to listen to it now.

      Jamie
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