[kj] a little prediction for you

[ade]

Fair comment - I think that pretty much sums up Jaz. I wish they could just
get on & make more magic. Oh well....

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Jiri
Sent: 27 March 2006 22:19
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] a little prediction for you


My admittedly distant read, or call it a prediction, is that if BPF did
come back into the fold, it would end quickly and badly, with an aborted
tour or some such clusterf*ck. He'd get fed up with Jaz once he got a
taste of the same old, same old.

One reason, I speculate, that the latest Raven debacle is so shocking to
many long-time fans (who might otherwise have known to expect it) is
that you would think -- you would hope -- that they'd have finally
"grown up" by now. That with the recent work they'd finally gotten it
together. They're f-ing middle-aged men, not teeny angst rock n'
rollers. BPF seems to have grown up; Jaz, tortured megalomaniacal genius
that he is, has not. From his interviews, his actions, his throw-away
lines, he comes off as an entertainer, yes, a fascinating, smart man,
yes, an instigator, yes -- but someone you could handle working with if
you didn't need it to pay your bills? In spurts, at best. While he
doesn't need Killing Joke and treats it that way (boasting of it to
whomever will listen), others do and I imagine that gets frustrating
really quickly.

Among Jaz's claims is that he was originally the choice for the Ben
Kingsley character in "Sexy Beast" -- a brilliantly written character in
a brilliant movie. I understand his attraction to the character. But
it's telling. Said selfish sociopathic character is funny and engaging
in fiction. In real life, as a working partner, misery.

ade wrote:

>Bringing Big Paul in would certainly put them back on the track of QUALITY
>in my mind. He wasn't just a fantastic drummer, of course. I think Geordie
>will just go along with most of what Jaz says, so that band needs someone
>else with balls. Jaz stamps on them. BPF as a driving/creative force could
>only be positive in my mind - I think they lost their 'art' from
Pandemonium
>onwards.
>
>ade
>
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>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
>[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of god botherer
>Sent: 27 March 2006 21:20
>To: vassifer at earthlink.net; gathering at misera.net
>Subject: Re: [kj] a little prediction for you
>
>
>The reasons I think this will happen:
>
>We are entering last chance saloon.
>
>The recent utter balls up, the departure of Raven, the requirement for a
>'KJ' bass player, the need for some integrity, the bleak commercial
outlook,
>the fact that Youth and Big Paul have teamed up, Big Paul's humility (as
>evinced in that interview), a chastened Jaz(?) and the last hope of an
angle
>that will attract sufficient attention.
>
>I'm not saying I wouldn't prefer Raven. I'm absolutely gutted he's gone.
>More than any of the charades that have gone before, this one has really
>caused a loss of my goodwill. I know many die hards feel the same.
>
>And I never thought I'd say this, but the band may now be in possession of
a
>drummer who tops Big Paul - it would be very sad to say goodbye to Benny
but
>Big Paul really could bring something apart from his drumming.
>
>It would be a pragmatic move. To really work it would need to be a 'split
>four ways' thing, as it was originally.
>
>Maybe they could even put Jaz back behind his keyboard.
>
>All of this should happen round about when Jaz learns the humilty Big Paul
>appears to have learned.
>
>I'm not expecting this any time soon however.
>
>gb
>
>
>
>
>
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