[kj] Re: Gathering Digest, Vol 27, Issue 89 KJ tour off
Georg P?r Sveinbj?rnsson
georgpetur at visir.is
Tue Mar 14 06:57:02 EST 2006
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> 1. Re: AAASTAROID!!!!! (Astrid P.)
> 2. Re: Re: "KJ" tour ! (Robert Mallett)
> 3. Re: tour off.... (Leigh Newton)
> 4. RE: tour off...., (Leigh Newton)
> 5. Re: tour off.... (Robert Mallett)
> > 9. Re: Gathering Digest, Vol 27, Issue 88 kj tour off
> (Georg P?r Sveinbj?rnsson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 06:29:58 +0100 (MET)
> From: "Astrid P." <patrick_bate_man at gmx.net>
> Subject: Re: [kj] AAASTAROID!!!!!
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
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> yeah, i know, he said something similar in Prague last november. ;)
> well, did anyone take that serious!?
>
> greetings,
> Astrid.
>
> > --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> > Von: Jiri <unspeakable at sbcglobal.net>
> > An: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> > <gathering at misera.net>
> > Betreff: Re: [kj] AAASTAROID!!!!!
> > Datum: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:18:34 -0600
> >
> > Nah, it's just the sound of the prophecy Jaz was referring to last
> > fall..."be prepared for what comes next March/April" or whatever he
> > said: Too bad he didn't realize cancelled KJ tours are nothing new at
> > all...like prophecizing that the sun will come up tomorrow.
> >
>> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>>
> i play bass, and know the stuff.
>
> bob
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:29:04 -0800 (PST)
> From: Leigh Newton <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [kj] tour off....
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> <gathering at misera.net>
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> Me too. Put it off and do it right when the timing is
> better if that's what it takes.
>
> Speaking of Raven, a friend of mine who lives in
> Portland Oregon told me that Raven is playing bass on
> his new bands' demo and actually wrote a few songs for
> said band, which he said were really great. I asked
> him how this came to pass and he told me that Raven's
> wife, Melinda, is best friends with said bands' guitar
> player. Interesting.
>
> Leigh
>
>
> --- Robert Mallett <Robert at jrcardwell.fsnet.co.uk>
> wrote:
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> > Still, I'd rather wait & have it with raven
> >
> >
> >
> > exactly, and my guess is that's the reason.
> >
> > bob
> >
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> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:46:31 -0000
> From: "Robert Mallett" <Robert at jrcardwell.fsnet.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [kj] tour off....
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
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> Me too. Put it off and do it right when the timing is
> better if that's what it takes.
>
>
> exactly; just don't put the fekkin cd back!
>
> PLEASE!
>
>
> bob
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:04:25 +0100
> From: "Frenchy Frenzy" <frenchyfrenzy at free.fr>
> Subject: [KJ] Raven : not at The Koko but at The Loco ( Ministry /
> Paris )
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
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> Hi all,
>
> Raven has confirmed to me yesterday that he wasn't supposed to play at any
> KJ's gigs for the april tour and that it was a "big mess"
>
> Now, if the tour's cancellation is confirmed, there might be another
> opportunity to see him again on stage with Jaz & Co ( that's my own opinion )
>
> However, Paul has confirmed that he would be in Paris on the 31 th july 06
> with MINISTRY at the Loco
> http://www.laloco.com/
>
>
> For those who read french, there is a new article on KJ + a sampler with "
> Lightbringer " on the new copy of the french magazine D SIDE
> http://www.d-side.org/
>
> See you in Paris on july
>
> Stéphane " Frenchy Frenzy "
>
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> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:03:17 -0000
> From: "Robert Mallett" <Robert at jrcardwell.fsnet.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [KJ] Raven : not at The Koko but at The Loco ( Ministry /
> Paris )
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
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> Now, if the tour's cancellation is confirmed, there might be another
> opportunity to see him again on stage with Jaz & Co ( that's my own opinion )
>
>
> I'll bet that's what happens. Jaz and Geordie need a big pow wow with
> Jourgensen and co NOW!!
>
>
> bob
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> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:31:50 +0000 (GMT)
> From: bluce ree <bluceree2003 at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [kj] tour off....
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
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> this is actually pretty bad,
>
> i mean... what better time is there than just after
> the album release?
>
>
> --- Robert Mallett <Robert at jrcardwell.fsnet.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Me too. Put it off and do it right when the timing
> > is
> > better if that's what it takes.
> >
> >
> > exactly; just don't put the fekkin cd back!
> >
> > PLEASE!
> >
> >
> > bob
> >
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> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:57:18 +0000
> From: "Georg P?r Sveinbj?rnsson" <georgpetur at visir.is>
> Subject: [kj] Re: Gathering Digest, Vol 27, Issue 88 kj tour off
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>
>> > >
> > >
> > >
> This Are horrible news,have allready bought my flighttickets,and flying
> > > from Iceland is NOT cheap,still cant belive this happening when
> everything
> >>> was finally folding toghether for me,this is simply unacceptebul,damn it
> >>> all,huge vaist of money and time,i really feel like breaking something!!!
> The tour is still advertised on offical site,they should take the
FREAKING advertisemend down at least,guess i better start deleting all
my KJ "go to consert´s" blogs one myspace before i look like total idiot
> > :( :( :( :( Georg Pétur
> >
Message: 2
> >
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 00:38:45 +0000
> > From: "god botherer" <acroastic at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: RE: [kj] (OT) Iran/USA/Nuclear Weapons
> > To: gathering at misera.net
> > Message-ID: <BAY106-F187E654BE30032BDE31773BCE10 at phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
> >
> > I do not suggest that corporations who produce GM crops intend to bring
> > about starvation. Corporations have no morality; their only aim is to
> > maximise profits. But I don't know if I can be bothered to keep joining the
>
> > dots for you.
> >
> > You've thrown Iran into the mix now. I repeat: I am not a seer or a
> prophet.
> > There are many seemingly insoluble problems on this planet. You ask me what
>
> > should be done, and presumably if I can't tell you what should be done,
> that
> > proves a point does it? Let's take a step back. Why is it taken as read
> that
> > it is incumbent upon someone to do something?
> >
> > This does connect up wiith what follows, so please read this as a whole.
> >
> > I am not happy that nuclear weapons exist at all, but they do. I'm not
> happy
> > that my country has them, but, then again, if we didn't would we be more
> > vulnerable? (We'll leave aside here the fact that we don't really have
> > control over these weapons; a foreign nation does. That's another
> > conversation.)
> >
> > If Iran had nuclear weapons though, do you honestly believe they would try
> > to wipe out Israel? They would no more do that than either the USA or the
> > USSR ever did. Who are you, I or anybody else to tell Iran they can't have
> > these weapons when other countries do, including the country that has
> > identified them as part of an axis of evil, has already attacked and
> > occupied its neighbour, and has actually used nuclear weapons in warfare
> > (and used many other nasties too).
> >
> > The sad fact is that the Israel problem, the Iraq problem, and many other
> > problems are at least partly the result of historic meddling by the British
>
> > and the Americans.
> >
> > Often the meddling is under the pretext of 'we should do something'. That's
>
> > how it is sold. The real motive for the meddling is, however, imperialism,
> > contol of markets and control of resources (like, say, ooh, I don't know,
> > oil perhaps).
> >
> > I am wondering where you're coming from if you don't recognise this clearly
>
> > identifiable trend occurring again and again throughout history, right up
> to
> > the present day.
> >
> > I have sympathy with the poor sods around the world who have suffered at
> the
> > hands of my country and the USA. Have you no idea of the anger felt around
> > the world? Have you no idea of the reasons for that anger?
> >
> > Incidentally, whatever success in terms of democracy, civil liberties and
> > human rights (all now in decline) was achieved in this Britain came after
> > bitter civil war, religious persecution and class struggle over a long
> > period. But this painful process was allowed to continue with a minimum of
> > interference from other, more powerful states.
> >
> > If there had been an equivalent of today's USA in the 16th to 19th
> > centuries, we'd have been invaded (for our own good) and fucked over again
> > and again. We'd never have progressed in any way, and even now we'd be
> > producing plenty of terrorists of our own.
> >
> > Perhaps we'd be trying to develop our own nuclear weapons too.
> >
> > I'm going to bed now.
> >
> > Good night
> >
> > gb
> >
> >
> > >From: "FLIGHT BRINGER" <flightbringer at hotmail.co.uk>
> > >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> > ><gathering at misera.net>
> > >To: gathering at misera.net
> > >Subject: RE: [kj] (OT) /GM crops/Iran
> > >Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:46:31 +0000
> > >
> > >Western Governments spend Billions of ££E's giving aid to Third world
> > >countries, its a massive operation to keep the World fed. Why would anyone
>
> > >produce GM crops which will add to starvation? If theres not enough food
> to
> > >go around now, why would Western Governments make the burden even bigger
> by
> > >introducing GM crops? Do you think its so we can have a Live aid every so
> > >often?
> > > OK , forget Iraq, that is all in the past (well, and present, but
> > >nevermind) how would you handle the forthcoming Iran problem? If you were
> > >George Bush what would you do?
> > > Iran wants to produce materials which can create Nuclear Bombs. Iran
> has
> > >refused Russia's offer of these materials and wants to produce its own in
> > >private. Iran has vowed to wipe Israel off the map. Israel will not sit
> > >back and watch Iran build nuclear capabilities.
> > > What is the solution? How would you handle the situation without the
> > >benefit of hindsight?
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: "god botherer" <acroastic at hotmail.com>
> > >>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> > >><gathering at misera.net>
> > >>To: gathering at misera.net
> > >>Subject: RE: [kj] (OT) ID cards/GM crops/Iraq
> > >>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:28:39 +0000
> > >>
> > >>Just to address one of many points you raise about my original message,
> > >>tests have shown that GM crops are ten times more likely to
> > >>cross-pollinate than normal crops. If you are an organic farmer working
> > >>land adjacent to a GM farmer you might as well give up, because like it
> or
> > >>not you'll eventually end up with GM crops; moreover GM crops with
> sterile
> > >>seeds.
> > >>
> > >>In fact you needn't be adjacent. The wind, bees, etc. will ensure that
> > >>crops at a great distance will be affected.
> > >>
> > >>Unfortunately weeds are also transmuted and become immune to normal
> > >>pesticides. So, far from reducing the use of pesticides, GM crops
> > >>dramatically increase the need for incredibly strong pesticides with all
> > >>that this entails.
> > >>
> > >>I wouldn't view things any differently in the absence of a KJ lyric
> sheet.
> > >>
> > >>I'm not a seer or a prophet. It's not difficult to assess the
> > >>possibilities if you are aware. I'm not saying all these things will come
>
> > >>to pass. They won't if enough people are both aware and active.
> > >>
> > >>Unfortunately, a great many people live in a Fool's Paradise. Nations and
>
> > >>societies sleepwalk into disaster by small steps.
> > >>
> > >>I didn't need to be a visionary to see what a foolish move the invasion
> of
> > >>Iraq would be. I didn't need to be able to see into the future to
> > >>recognise that many innocent children would die, that tensions within the
>
> > >>country would be ratcheted up, that the country would become a magnet for
>
> > >>all sorts of anti-Western factions, that Muslims worldwide would be made
> > >>more sceptical, that this would only increase the threat of terrorism,
> > >>that many fine young men in the British and American armies would die
> > >>futile deaths, etc. etc.
> > >>
> > >>Many things are entirely predictable.
> > >>
> > >>Let's hope you're right though, and that the central authority will
> > >>continue to be the elected government. Mmmmm.
> > >>
> > >>gb
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>From: "FLIGHT BRINGER" <flightbringer at hotmail.co.uk>
> > >>>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> > >>><gathering at misera.net>
> > >>>To: gathering at misera.net
> > >>>Subject: RE: [kj] (OT) ID cards/control
> > >>>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:29:16 +0000
> > >>>
> > >>>>The situation we are moving towards is one where all possible data is
> > >>>>held on each individual, including their political dissent, etc. In
> > >>>>addition, samples of your DNA will be held by the central authority -
> > >>>>just think of the possibilities there. Each individual's movements and
> > >>>>location at any time will be able to be tracked.
> > >>>
> > >>>***********They can have all the data they want on me, I have nothing to
>
> > >>>hide. I would be pleased if everybody in the UK had a DNA sample stored
>
> > >>>in a huge data bank, There will be no anonyminity for the murderers,
> > >>>rapists and bombers. *****************
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>Eventually the cards would be replaced by implants and who knows what
> > >>>>the technological limitations of those could be?
> > >>>**********How do you know this. Have you been reading the lyric sheet
> > >>>again? We shall deal with the implant issue if and when it
> > >>>arises.*************
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>The central authority will be multinational and composed of an elite
> who
> > >>>>own the lion's share of the wealth.
> > >>>***********The central authority will continue to be the elected
> > >>>government******
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>Any organised resistance to the status quo would be nigh-on impossible.
>
> > >>>>Doubtless, opponents of the Nazis in their day would have been branded
> > >>>>extremists.
> > >>>********Can you see into the future? You seem to be making predictions
> > >>>and using these predictions as if they were actual
> > >>>facts********************
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>The basic right to save seeds to plant for the following year's crop
> > >>>>will be taken away, since the GM crops, made with sterile seeds, will
> > >>>>overwhelm the non GM crops. If people are unable or unwilling to pay
> the
> > >>>>military/industrial/state rulers for new seeds, or are prohibited from
> > >>>>doing so, the only option will be starvation.
> > >>>
> > >>>******GM crops will grow alongside normal crops. Governments have failed
>
> > >>>miserably in trying to stop the growth of Heroin, Cocaine and Marihuana,
>
> > >>>what makes you think that they will be able to stop people growing
> plants
> > >>>that produce seed?************
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>When the whole system collapses, as even this one must eventually,
> death
> > >>>>will already have been bred into organic life on earth. The future of
> > >>>>the planet will look even less rosy.
> > >>>*******These cards will safe guard the future, these cards will stop the
>
> > >>>system from collapsing . These cards will stop people whose goal it is
> to
> > >>>make the system collapse****
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>This is no longer a paranoid projection of a distant future, but a
> > >>>>simple conclusion concerning a development that is well under way
> before
> > >>>>your very eyes.
> > >>>
> > >>>********They are just introducing I.D cards which many other countries
> > >>>have .You are over reacting ******
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>Sun/Mail readers are 'educated' to lend their support with the 'if
> > >>>>you've got nothing to hide you've got nothing to fear' argument, and
> the
> > >>>>control of immigration and terrorism arguments.
> > >>>*********So how will it affect people who have nothing to hide and do
> not
> > >>>want society bought down and replaced by an alien force? What about the
> > >>>majority who are happy living in the status quo and who dont want
> change?
> > >>>Why should they be concerned?*****
> > >>>
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:20:44 +0000
> > From: "FLIGHT BRINGER" <flightbringer at hotmail.co.uk>
> > Subject: RE: [kj] (OT) Iran/USA/Nuclear Weapons
> > To: gathering at misera.net
> > Message-ID: <BAY15-F1481800C5473FDF1EDD1A7EDE10 at phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
> >
> > Its just that you are ready to criticize everyone else for doing wrong, but
>
> > you cannot say which is the right thing to do. Its so easy just to point
> out
> > where Governments are going wrong, but unless you have a solution to the
> > problems or at least offer an alternative, then your opinion is invalid .
> > You also seem to suffering from a guilt complex.
> >
> > "If Iran had nuclear weapons though, do you honestly believe they would try
>
> > to wipe out Israel?"
> >
> > Yes I do. Why would Iran want to build Nuclear Weapons unless it was for
>
> > a specific purpose?
> > Israel occupies Islam's third Holiest shrine (Jerusalem) . Arabs are
> > constantly making devices and firing them into Israeli territory. Arabs
> have
> > thrown everything they can get their hands on into Israeli territory over
> > the years, so yes the threat is real.
> > I asked you a straight question and would like a straight answer. How would
>
> > you deal with the forthcoming Iran problem. Forget whose fault the
> situation
> > is, Dont say what you would have done to avoid the conflict. How would you
> > deal with the situation today ?
> >
> > "Have you no idea of the anger felt around the world? Have you no idea of
> > the reasons for
> > that anger?"
> > I ve been to quite alot of countries and have nt noticed much anti
> > American feeling. Most countries inhabitants cant get enough of Western
> > Culture, Films , Sport and Music. America is not as hated as you would like
>
> > too believe.
> >
> > P.S. I realise that you are not a Prophet, you really dont have to tell me.
> >
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:14:27 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Papa Lazarou <circuit_bender at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [kj] Fwd: meanwhile,the fat cats get fatter...
> > To: "gathering at misera.net" <gathering at misera.net>
> > Message-ID: <20060314021427.10806.qmail at web60811.mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > The War Dividend: The British companies making a fortune out of
> > conflict-riven Iraq
> > By Robert Verkaik
> >
> > THE INDEPENDENT
> > Published: 13 March 2006
> >
> > British businesses have profited by at least £1.1bn since coalition forces
> > toppled Saddam
> > Hussein three years ago, the first comprehensive investigation into UK
> > corporate
> > investment in Iraq has found.
> > The company roll-call of post-war profiteers includes some of the best
> known
> > names in
> > Britain's boardrooms as well many who would prefer to remain anonymous.
> They
> > come
> > from private security services, banks, PR consultancies, urban planning
> > consortiums, oil
> > companies, architects offices and energy advisory bodies.
> > Among the top earners is the construction firm Amec, which has made an
> > estimated
> > £500m from a series of contracts restoring electrical systems and
> maintaining
> > power
> > generation facilities during the past two years. Aegis, which provides
> > private security has
> > earned more than £246m from a three-year contract with the Pentagon to
> > co-ordinate
> > military and security companies in Iraq. Erinys, which specialises in the
> > same area, has
> > made more than £86m, a substantial portion from the protection of
> oilfields.
> > The evidence of massive investments and the promise of more
> > multimillion-pound profits
> > to come was discovered in a joint investigation by Corporate Watch, an
> > independent
> > watchdog, and The Independent.
> > The findings show how much is stake if Britain were to withdraw military
> > protection from
> > Iraq. British company involvement at the top of Iraq's new political and
> > economic
> > structures means Iraq will be forced to rely on British business for many
> > years to come.
> > A total of 61 British companies are identified as benefiting from at least
> > £1.1bn of
> > contracts and investment in the new Iraq. But that figure is just the tip
> of
> > the iceberg;
> > Corporate Watch believes it could be as much as five times higher, because
> > many
> > companies prefer to keep their relationship secret.
> > The waters are further muddied by the Government's refusal to release the
> > names of
> > companies it has helped to win contracts in Iraq.
> > Many of the companies enjoy long-standing relationships with Labour and now
> > have a
> > financial stake in the reconstruction of Iraq in Britain's image. Of the
> > total profits
> > published in the report, the British taxpayer has had to meet a bill for
> £78m
> > while the US
> > taxpayer's contribution to UK corporate earnings in Iraq is nearly nine
> times
> > that. Iraqis
> > themselves have paid British company directors £150m.
> > The report acknowledges that British business still lags behind the huge
> > profits paid to
> > American companies. But, in two fields, Britain is playing a critical and
> > leading role.
> > The threat from the Iraqi insurgency means British private security
> companies
> > are in great
> > demand. Corporate Watch estimates there are between 20,000 and 30,000
> > security
> > personnel working in Iraq, half of whom are employed by companies run by
> > retired senior
> > British officers and at least two former defence ministers.
> > The biggest British player, Aegis - run by Tim Spicer, the former British
> > army lieutenant
> > colonel who founded the security company Sandline - has a workforce the
> size
> > of a
> > military division and may rank as the largest corporate military group ever
> > assembled,
> > according to the report. Other private security companies have sprung up
> > overnight to
> > protect British and American civilians.
> > Britain is also playing a leading role in advising on the creation of state
> > institutions and
> > the business of government. PA Consulting, which has also received a
> contract
> > for
> > advising on the Government's ID cards scheme, worth around £19m, is now a
> key
> > adviser
> > in Iraq.
> > Adam Smith International, a body closely linked to the right-wing
> think-tank
> > used by
> > Margaret Thatcher, has been heavily involved in the foundation of the Iraqi
> > government
> > and continues to influence its newly formed ministries. According to the
> Tory
> > MP Quentin
> > Davies, who visited Iraq, the advisers are "reordering Iraqi government
> > operations at the
> > most basic level, to help restructure some of the Iraqi ministries, in fact
> > physically
> > restructure them, even suggesting how the minister's office should be laid
> > out".
> > Another favourite of the Thatcher governments, now involved in Iraq, is Tim
> > Bell, who ran
> > the Tories' election campaigns in 1979, 1983 and 1987. His PR firm
> > Bell-Pottinger has
> > been involved in advising on the 2004 elections and a strategic campaign to
> > promote
> > bigger concepts such as the return of sovereignty, reconstruction, support
> > for the army
> > and police, minority rights and public probity.
> > Loukas Christodoulou, of Corporate Watch, has been monitoring British
> > business relations
> > with Iraq since the invasion. He says in his conclusion to our joint
> report:
> > "The presence of
> > these consultants in Iraq is arguably a part of the UK government's policy
> to
> > push British
> > firms as lead providers of privatisation support. The Department for
> > International
> > Development has positioned itself as a champion of privatisation in
> > developing countries.
> > The central part UK firms are playing in reshaping Iraq's economy and
> society
> > lays the
> > ground for a shift towards a corporate-dominated economy. This will have
> > repercussions
> > lasting decades."
> > In five years, the £1.1bn of contracts identified in the report will be
> > dwarfed by what
> > Britain and the US hope to reap from investments. Highly lucrative oil
> > contracts have yet to
> > be handed out.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:51:39 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Papa Lazarou <circuit_bender at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: RE: [kj] (OT) Iran/USA/Nuclear Weapons
> > To: gathering at misera.net
> > Message-ID: <20060314025139.745.qmail at web60813.mail.yahoo.com>
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> >
> > Spoken like a true newsreel, Peter.
> > 'Iranian problem'. That's one powerful metonym.
> > Follow the Leader anyone?
> >
> >
> > FLIGHT BRINGER <flightbringer at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > To me an intelligent programme would be about finding a solution to the
> > impending Iranian problem, not a character who only has a few slogans
> taking
> > the place of speech.
> >
> >
> >
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> > Message: 6
> > Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:42:37 EST
> > From: GregSlawson at aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Iran/USA/Nuclear Weapons
> > To: gathering at misera.net
> > Message-ID: <2e3.3f8dd9c.314795ad at aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > In a message dated 3/13/2006 9:51:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > circuit_bender at yahoo.com writes:
> >
> > > Spoken like a true newsreel, Peter.
> > > 'Iranian problem'. That's one powerful metonym.
> > > Follow the Leader anyone?
> > >
> >
> > The US/UK media are giddy with excitement over people like Peter. Iran
> > threatens to start selling oil/gas in Euros instead of US dollars, and they
>
> > conveniently make up stories about Iran being a nuclear military threat,
> even
> > though
> > Iran can't even create a simple nuclear power plant. They report daily on
> > Iranian Islamic fanaticsm, even though the US supplied the Ayatollah with
> > arms
> > throughout the 80s, and the CIA provided training for the equally fanatical
>
> > fundamentalist Mujadeen (including Bin Laden), so they could fight the old
> > Soviet
> > Union (during the 70s, i believe). They do their best to get the Americans
> > into
> > an anti-arab hysteria, and people like Peter lap it up.
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> > Message: 7
> > Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:55:22 +1300
> > From: bongo <humanhybrid666 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Iran/USA/Nuclear Weapons
> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> > <gathering at misera.net>
> > Message-ID:
> > <ce16091e0603131955u56a3e10fnc4631c7203da864a at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > so tempting to want to jump in and start arguing with PW, but i'm sure we
> > can all agree his head is up his bum so there's no real need to. ; )
> > good posts tho god botherer, nicely put.
> >
> > ~jb.
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> > Message: 8
> > Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 06:27:25 +0100
> > From: "Dirk Kingerske" <dirkingerske at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [KJ] OT: It's a Boy
> > To: gathering at misera.net
> > Message-ID: <BAY109-F40CEDB24B742DD0AC4AE6ED1E10 at phx.gbl>
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> >
> >
> > congras Alex!
> >
> > Nice to hear everything worked out fine!
> > All the best to your girls and OliverNYC
> > Dirk (Oliver) Kingsnake
> >
> > >From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
> > >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> > ><gathering at misera.net>
> > >To: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
> > >CC: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> > ><gathering at misera.net>
> > >Subject: Re: [KJ] OT: It's a Boy
> > >Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:33:16 -0500
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Those curious to see the first pic of little Oliver, please click on the
> > >link below:
> > >
> > >http://vassifer.blogs.com/alexinnyc/2006/03/its_a_boy.html
> > >
> > >Alex in NYC
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Mar 10, 2006, at 10:25 PM, Alexander Smith wrote:
> > >
> > >>Hey there, all.....
> > >>
> > >>I'm happy to report that at 4:13 pm today -- Friday March 10, 2006 --
> > >>our little boy announced his presence to the world with a diminutive
> > >>barbaric yawp, weighing in at six pounds and three ounces. Much like his
>
> > >>sister Charlotte, this little person decided to get a wee jump on
> things,
> > >>arriving exactly a month before initially expected. Peggy and the baby
> > >>are both resting back at the hospital. I'm now back home with Charlotte
> > >>-- currently asleep and blissfully oblivious to the fact that tomorrow
> > >>her world changes forever.
> > >>
> > >>Oh, and we have decided to name the little guy Oliver.
> > >>
> > >>Alex
> > >
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