[kj] Kerrang!/Hosannas/KJ2003

god botherer acroastic at hotmail.com
Wed Mar 1 11:22:52 EST 2006 

Well, we're all different, and there's nowt wrong with good, healthy debate. 
I wish you could get from BTATS what I get. I find it the opposite of 
lifeless - very strirring and very moving, in fact.

To get its power, perhaps you have to listen to it outside the context of 
other KJ albums. Maybe it works in a different way.

I know when I first heard Sanity, 'limp' was one of several terms I might 
have applied. It wasn't what you wanted or expected. But that song has 
powerfully affected me many times now, and Rubicon is simply awesome - 
exultant - one of the high points of their career for me. I love all the 
songs. Only Under a Southern Sky falls below par, but I still like it.

Now, where's that remaster?!

gb


>From: gregslawson at aol.com
>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
><gathering at misera.net>
>To: gathering at misera.net
>Subject: Re: [kj] Kerrang!/Hosannas/KJ2003
>Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 10:10:39 -0500
>
>I Beg to Differ (as Prong titled one of their albums). I thought BTATS, 
>although technically well-written, was limp, lifeless fluff that I can 
>bareley listen to, and that KJ 2003 had some exciting moments and gets at 
>their essence, esp. on songs like Total Invasion and Blood on Your Hands.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: god botherer <acroastic at hotmail.com>
>To: gathering at misera.net
>Sent: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 15:05:03 +0000
>Subject: Re: [kj] Kerrang!/Hosannas/KJ2003
>
>
>I heartily agree that the quality of the music on Brighter Than a Thousand 
>Suns was amazing. I've never thought of it as being commercial just because 
>it was smoother. It comes absolutely from the heart and is totally honest 
>and grown up, and I can't say that KJ2003 is as honest and grown up. Of 
>course I acknowledge that it's far from shit. Blood On Your Hands is very 
>real, and Asteroid is great fun live, but mostly it doesn't move me the way 
>that most of the Joke's music does - it's not as representative of the true 
>spirit of Killing Joke as what we are about to receive (may the Lord make 
>us truly thankful. Amen)
>
>gb
>
> >From: jpwhkj at aol.com
> >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
> ><gathering at misera.net>
> >To: gathering at misera.net
> >Subject: Re: [kj] Kerrang!/Hosannas/KJ2003
> >Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 04:35:53 -0500
> >
> >They *are* amazing albums, but I was disappointed by both of them at the 
> >time, because they were clearly seeking a softer, more commercially 
> >acceptable sound - a path which led unerringly to Outside the Gate. In 
>the >nineties, the more industrial sound became more commercially 
>acceptable, >and KJ have produced albums that, whilst having some fine 
>moments, are far >more mainstream than the first 3 or 4 albums were.
> >
> >I think the quality of the music on Brighter and Night Time is 
>outstanding, >and I look forward to the remixed Brighter in particular...
> >
> >Jamie
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Leigh Newton <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com>
> >To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
><gathering at misera.net>
> >Sent: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:01:47 -0800 (PST)
> >Subject: Re: [kj] Kerrang!/Hosannas/KJ2003
> >
> > Well, both Nighttime and Brighter sound extremely
> >commercial (or they did when they were released) and
> >they're both amazing. I don't think it's pandering if
> >the music you're writing is still quality. Which, i
> >think, KJ2003 is. For the most part. BUt that's just
> >me.
> >
> >Leigh
> >
> >--- god botherer <acroastic at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>OK, so nu-metal wasn't the best quick reference term
> >>for a certain flavour
> >>that was added to KJ2003, but I was trying to
> >>describe the extent of the
> >>pandering to, let's say, a particular sector of the
> >>market - surely you know
> >>what I mean.
> >>
> >>I now see that I'm not alone in my opinion:
> >>
> >>+++
> >>
> >>Killing Joke frontman Jaz Coleman has revealed to
> >>Kerrang! that the
> >>post-punk superheroes have returned to their roots
> >>on their forthcoming,
> >>13th studio album.
> >>
> >>Fans should expect a less commercial-sounding
> >>offering from 'Hosannas From
> >>The Basements Of Hell', the follow up to 2003's
> >>'Killing Joke', after
> >>guitarist Geordie Walker registered his
> >>dissatisfaction with the band's last
> >>album.
> >>
> >>"Geordie wasn't happy with the last one we did
> >>because he thought it sounded
> >>too commercial," Coleman admits. "This one's the
> >>antithesis."
> >>
> >>+++
> >>
> >>- and all the better for that, I reckon. And it goes
> >>to show that Geordie is
> >>or should be the supreme arbiter of what goes.
> >>
> >>There's fact for you Leigh.
> >>
> >>
> >>gb
> >>
> >>
> >> >From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
> >> >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke
> >>(the band!)"
> >> ><gathering at misera.net>
> >> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> >>band!)"
> >> ><gathering at misera.net>
> >> >Subject: Re: [kj] Hosannas 1 KJ2003 0
> >> >Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:36:07 -0500
> >> >
> >> >Is Nu-Metal even Nu-metal anymore? Seems about as
> >>timely a term in 2006 as
> >> >shoegazing and/or baggy.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Alex in NYC
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On Feb 27, 2006, at 10:34 PM, Leigh Newton wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>I reckon that 0.00000000000000% of KJ2003 is
> >>nu-metal.
> >> >>Fact, not opinion.
> >> >>
> >> >>Leigh
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>--- god botherer <acroastic at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>This new stuff pisses all over the cartoon
> >>nu-metal
> >> >>>of 2003. This is
> >> >>>glorious. I'm hearing TRUE Killing Joke again and
> >> >>>it's wonderful!
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Oddly, the two tracks officially available to
> >>check
> >> >>>out prior to release,
> >> >>>i.e. Implosion and the title track are IMHO the
> >> >>>least interesting tracks on
> >> >>>the album, but still pretty fair.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Here's a few things missing from the album:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>shit Youth tampering
> >> >>>crap production
> >> >>>pandering to the Kerrang audience (well, maybe a
> >> >>>bit)
> >> >>>lukewarm drumming
> >> >>>weak tracks
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Concentrating all the efforts of the personnel on
> >> >>>this project, and living
> >> >>>and playing together lots like a real group
> >>should,
> >> >>>having a shit hot
> >> >>>drummer and turning up the volume on (still) the
> >> >>>most extraordinary sound
> >> >>>these ears know of (that beatiful Geordie guitar)
> >> >>>have all paid off - and
> >> >>>they've remembered to make it danceable!
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Above all, the genuine passion shines through,
> >>and I
> >> >>>get those goose pimples
> >> >>>again which have been so rare since 1991 (with
> >>the
> >> >>>honourable exception of
> >> >>>Aeon and one or two other bits from Pandemonium
> >>and
> >> >>>Democracy).
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Hope when I buy the real thing Geordie doesn't
> >>get
> >> >>>turned down in the mix
> >> >>>(again).
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Whaddyareckon?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>gb
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
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