[kj] Kerrang!/Hosannas/KJ2003

[jpwhkj at aol.com]

They *are* amazing albums, but I was disappointed by both of them at 
the time, because they were clearly seeking a softer, more commercially 
acceptable sound - a path which led unerringly to Outside the Gate.  In 
the nineties, the more industrial sound became more commercially 
acceptable, and KJ have produced albums that, whilst having some fine 
moments, are far more mainstream than the first 3 or 4 albums were.

I think the quality of the music on Brighter and Night Time is 
outstanding, and I look forward to the remixed Brighter in particular...

Jamie

-----Original Message-----
From: Leigh Newton <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
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Sent: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:01:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [kj] Kerrang!/Hosannas/KJ2003

  Well, both Nighttime and Brighter sound extremely
commercial (or they did when they were released) and
they're both amazing. I don't think it's pandering if
the music you're writing is still quality. Which, i
think, KJ2003 is. For the most part. BUt that's just
me.

Leigh

--- god botherer <acroastic at hotmail.com> wrote:

> OK, so nu-metal wasn't the best quick reference term
> for a certain flavour
> that was added to KJ2003, but I was trying to
> describe the extent of the
> pandering to, let's say, a particular sector of the
> market - surely you know
> what I mean.
>
> I now see that I'm not alone in my opinion:
>
> +++
>
> Killing Joke frontman Jaz Coleman has revealed to
> Kerrang! that the
> post-punk superheroes have returned to their roots
> on their forthcoming,
> 13th studio album.
>
> Fans should expect a less commercial-sounding
> offering from 'Hosannas From
> The Basements Of Hell', the follow up to 2003's
> 'Killing Joke', after
> guitarist Geordie Walker registered his
> dissatisfaction with the band's last
> album.
>
> "Geordie wasn't happy with the last one we did
> because he thought it sounded
> too commercial," Coleman admits. "This one's the
> antithesis."
>
> +++
>
> - and all the better for that, I reckon. And it goes
> to show that Geordie is
> or should be the supreme arbiter of what goes.
>
> There's fact for you Leigh.
>
>
> gb
>
>
> >From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
> >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke
> (the band!)"
> ><gathering at misera.net>
> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> band!)"
> ><gathering at misera.net>
> >Subject: Re: [kj] Hosannas 1 KJ2003 0
> >Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:36:07 -0500
> >
> >Is Nu-Metal even Nu-metal anymore? Seems about as
> timely a term in  2006 as
> >shoegazing and/or baggy.
> >
> >
> >
> >Alex in NYC
> >
> >
> >
> >On Feb 27, 2006, at 10:34 PM, Leigh Newton wrote:
> >
> >>I reckon that 0.00000000000000% of KJ2003 is
> nu-metal.
> >>Fact, not opinion.
> >>
> >>Leigh
> >>
> >>
> >>--- god botherer <acroastic at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>This new stuff pisses all over the cartoon
> nu-metal
> >>>of 2003. This is
> >>>glorious. I'm hearing TRUE Killing Joke again and
> >>>it's wonderful!
> >>>
> >>>Oddly, the two tracks officially available to
> check
> >>>out prior to release,
> >>>i.e. Implosion and the title track are IMHO the
> >>>least interesting tracks on
> >>>the album, but still pretty fair.
> >>>
> >>>Here's a few things missing from the album:
> >>>
> >>>shit Youth tampering
> >>>crap production
> >>>pandering to the Kerrang audience (well, maybe a
> >>>bit)
> >>>lukewarm drumming
> >>>weak tracks
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Concentrating all the efforts of the personnel on
> >>>this project, and living
> >>>and playing together lots like a real group
> should,
> >>>having a shit hot
> >>>drummer and turning up the volume on (still) the
> >>>most extraordinary sound
> >>>these ears know of (that beatiful Geordie guitar)
> >>>have all paid off - and
> >>>they've remembered to make it danceable!
> >>>
> >>>Above all, the genuine passion shines through,
> and I
> >>>get those goose pimples
> >>>again which have been so rare since 1991 (with
> the
> >>>honourable exception of
> >>>Aeon and one or two other bits from Pandemonium
> and
> >>>Democracy).
> >>>
> >>>Hope when I buy the real thing Geordie doesn't
> get
> >>>turned down in the mix
> >>>(again).
> >>>
> >>>Whaddyareckon?
> >>>
> >>>gb
> >>>
> >>>
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