[kj] Ministry in NYC tonight

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I wouldn't go as far as to say it had any form of depressing effect on me
(LOL!!), but he shouldn't disown something he wrote. For my tastes, Psalm69
was where it all went wrong. Filthpig was an excellent diversion. The new
one is straight-ahead self-parody.

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Alexander Smith
Sent: 18 June 2006 18:11
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight



Yeah, it's always depressed me that Al disowns WITH SYMPATHY. If he
was half-the badass he projects himself to be, he'd say "Yeah, I
wrote that, got something to say about it? Step on up, motherfucker!"

Alex in NYC


On Jun 18, 2006, at 12:12 AM, Leigh Newton wrote:

> Good writeup, Alex. My first exposure to Ministry was
> the Stigmata video as well. Or a portion of it. Kirk
> Hammett, of all people, was talking them up in some
> television interview circa 88-89 and then they showed
> a clip from Stigmata and I was like "what was THAT??!"
> I tracked down Mind Is A Terrible Thing to Taste
> shortly after and was blown away. It sounded almost
> like a parody of thrash metal. I loved the meshing of
> real-time and programmed instruments. It made perfect
> sense for someone to do something like that! I got
> Land of Rape and Honey and In Case You Didn't Feel
> Like Showing Up soon after and loved them both. Golden
> Dawn was always a favourite. Psalm 69 came out shortly
> after and I thought it was good but too far into the
> generic thrash realm. Jesus Built My Hotrod is still
> great. Filth Pig sucked and i never really caught back
> on after that.
>
> I've also heard tell that Al was actually totally into
> the With Sympathy type stuff at the time and that he's
> since disowned it so as not to come off as some F-A-G
> to the legions of chest-beating metalheads.
>
> Leigh
>
>
> --- Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Ahoy all.....
>>
>> Just re-touching base. I know I promised pics, but I
>> forgot to take
>> any during the show (concentrating, instead, on
>> drinking beer). In
>> any case, I have  brief wrap-up, a pic of Raven and
>> some needless
>> musings on Ministry on my shitty weblog. Please
>> avail yourselves to
>> it by clicking below.
>>
>> http://vassifer.blogs.com
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alex in NYC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2006, at 3:54 AM, Jari Pakarinen wrote:
>>
>>> Strange because Stigmata is not even that hard a
>> song to play. I
>>> mean it's like Psyche. Fast but not too fast.
>> There is the double
>>> bass part in there but it's not long.
>>>
>>> Jari
>>>
>>> Leigh Newton kirjoitti 17.6.2006 kello 9.33:
>>>
>>>> That's exactly what i was thinking going in. I
>> think
>>>> Slipknot are a joke but i was at least confident
>> in
>>>> the fact that the guy would be a solid, death
>> metal
>>>> style, double-pedal machine-gunning drummer.
>> Which is
>>>> perfect for Ministry. Maybe it's the fact that he
>> was
>>>> playing along with pre-programmed beats that was
>>>> throwing off his game. But man, he barely hit
>> hard at
>>>> all and sort of eked his way through the set. It
>> would
>>>> have been amazing with the drummer from Fear
>> Factory.
>>>> That guy probably farts out double-pedal bursts.
>>>>
>>>> Leigh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- Christof hamille <wessidetempest at hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Isn't this the Slipknot guy?  And shouldn't
>> Ministry
>>>>> be a cakewalk for him?
>>>>> I know little to nothing about Slipknot but it
>> seems
>>>>> like any metal drummer
>>>>> that is good should find this easy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Leigh Newton <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke
>>>>> (the
>>>>>> band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>>>>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
>>>>> band!)"
>>>>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:40:49 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Raven gave me and my friend copies of the new
>>>>> Ministry
>>>>>> CD and some of it is actually pretty rad,
>>>>>> particularily the first 2 tracks. The Joey
>> Jordison
>>>>>> criticisms are dead on. He absolutely sucked,
>>>>> played
>>>>>> with no conviction whatsoever, and slopped up
>>>>> Stigmata
>>>>>> when I saw them as well. Lucky for him that
>> he's
>>>>>> playing along with pre-programmed beats,
>> otherwise
>>>>> the
>>>>>> whole deal would have been one big pisstake.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leigh
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- Pssyche <pssyche at soia.freeserve.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for that Alex - I saw both nights at BB
>>>>> Kings
>>>>>>> on their last
>>>>>>> 'EvilDoer' tour and thought the venue was
>> shit,
>>>>>>> hence our decision to go
>>>>>>> somewhere else this time round. Most of the
>>>>> negative
>>>>>>> posts on Ministry's
>>>>>>> Piss Army site have the same criticisms -
>>>>> slagging
>>>>>>> off Joey Jordison, while
>>>>>>> many seem to think it's too loud.
>>>>>>> I love the newer stuff myself, to be honest I
>>>>> get a
>>>>>>> bit fed up with 'So
>>>>>>> What' etc being played every show -
>> similarities
>>>>>>> with the Joke (and indeed
>>>>>>> many other bands) in that predictable setlists
>>>>> get
>>>>>>> on the regulars' tits!!!
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Alex Smith" <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
>>>>>>> band!)"
>>>>>>> <gathering at misera.net>; "A list about all
>> things
>>>>>>> Killing Joke (the band!)"
>>>>>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 4:24 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll post a longer, more detailed review
>> later,
>>>>> but
>>>>>>> some thoughts re:
>>>>>>> Ministry last night....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. BB Kings Blues Bar was the *WRONG* venue to
>>>>> book
>>>>>>> this show. Too small (it
>>>>>>> was totally packed) and the sound is so
>>>>> compressed
>>>>>>> that it was akin to
>>>>>>> standing in front of a 747 engine for three
>>>>> hours.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. Did not catch the Pitbull Daycare, and
>> don't
>>>>>>> really feel a great deal of
>>>>>>> remorse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. I met my friend Christina (she from that
>>>>> fabled
>>>>>>> earlier photo with m'self
>>>>>>> and Raven on Andy's Gathering site) and her
>>>>> friend
>>>>>>> John and made it in no
>>>>>>> problem. Raven gamely put Peggy (my wife) on
>> the
>>>>>>> list as well, but she
>>>>>>> couldn't make it (someone had to mind the
>> kids),
>>>>> so
>>>>>>> my "date" or plus-one
>>>>>>> ended up being Julya (slutty and stupid
>> ex-FUSE
>>>>>>> veejay), who is a friend of
>>>>>>> John's. She was hungover and unfriendly and
>> was
>>>>>>> later seen being asked to
>>>>>>> leave the venue by security. Rock'n'roll!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4. The Revolting Cocks were easily the high
>>>>> point of
>>>>>>> the show. Opened with
>>>>>>> "Beers, Steers + Queers," and suddenly a wave
>> of
>>>>>>> early-90's nostalgia swept
>>>>>>> over the room. Luc Van Acker has not aged well
>>>>> and
>>>>>>> is now a total buffoon.
>>>>>>> There is another vocalist who looks a bit like
>>>>>>> Crispin Glover/Hitler who I
>>>>>>> was unfamiliar with. And he's a bit of an
>>>>> idiotic
>>>>>>> bore. But the rest of the
>>>>>>> band (featuring the odd ex-Skatenig, I
>> believe)
>>>>> was
>>>>>>> great. The bass player
>>>>>>> (not Raven) is indeed a huge hottie, somewhat
>>>>> like
>>>>>>> vintage-era Corey from
>>>>>>> Nashville Pussy. They also played: "Attack
>> Ships
>>>>> On
>>>>>>> Fire" (my personal
>>>>>>> fave), "D'ya Think I'm Sexy," "Let's Get
>>>>> Physical"
>>>>>>> and a rousing version of
>>>>>>> "Stainless Steel Providers." They also did a
>>>>> cover
>>>>>>> of "Dark Entries" (by
>>>>>>> Bauhaus), which was surprisingly faithful. An
>>>>>>> excellent performance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 5. Lots of drunk idiots in the crowd. And
>> sweaty
>>>>>>> males. Did not spot a
>>>>>>> SINGLE Killing Joke shirt (other than the one
>> I
>>>>> was
>>>>>>> sporting).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 6. Ministry come on. Bones on the mics.
>>>>> Projection
>>>>>>> behind at all times.
>>>>>>> Strobes. Raven a good two feet taller than his
>>>>>>> bandmates. Both Raven and Al
>>>>>>> sporting Jaz-esque black warpaint. Raven gets
>> a
>>>>> pass
>>>>>>> for this, as far as I'm
>>>>>>> concerned, but try being original, AL!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 7. The Ministry set: lots and lots and lots
>> and
>>>>> lots
>>>>>>> of new stuff. And ya
>>>>>>> know what? It's DULLLLLLLLLLL. Totally
>>>>>>> monocrhomatic. Very little deviation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 8. Tommy Victor must have made some pact with
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> devil, as he has not aged
>>>>>>> a day. He is also VERY energetic on stage. Man
>>>>> loves
>>>>>>> his work.  He and Al
>>>>>>> Jourgensen, according to Raven, do not get on
>>>>> well,
>>>>>>> and Raven has to act as
>>>>>>> go-between.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 9. It was Mike Scaccia's birthday. He was
>>>>> wearing a
>>>>>>> Lynyrd Skynyrd shirt.
>>>>>>> Most unfortunate, this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 10. Joey from Slipknot on drums -- Raven loves
>>>>> him
>>>>>>> (and evidently GEORDIE
>>>>>>> does to, so sayeth Raven), but he was clearly
>>>>> having
>>>>>>> a hard time keeping up.
>>>>>>> Couldn't tell if he was wearing a mask or not,
>>>>> but
>>>>>>> he's clearly a freaky
>>>>>>> lookin' dude.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 11. Bechdel still has the `hawk.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 12. Songs played in addition to new stuff:
>>>>> "N.W.O,"
>>>>>>> "Thieves," "So What,"
>>>>>>> "Just One Fix," and a truly dead-on-arrival
>> limp
>>>>>>> through "Stigmata" wherein
>>>>>>> poor Joey started to lose his place. Most
>>>>>>> unfortunate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 13. Al Jourgensen clearly has a lot to say
>> about
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Bush Administration and
>>>>>>> how this country is going down the toilet, but
>>>>>>> y'know what? For all anyone
>>>>>>> could hear (let alone decipher through his
>>>>> heavily
>>>>>>> treated, vocoded vocals),
>>>>>>> he could've just been screaming out the names
>> of
>>>>> all
>>>>>>> the State capitals. All
>>>>>>> gobbledigook.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 14. It was VERY loud. No surprises there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 15. Raven - clearly enjoying himself, though
>>>>> seemed
>>>>>>> a bit upset onstage
>>>>>>> (it's always somewhat hard to distinguish
>> these
>>>>> two
>>>>>>> expressions).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Met up with Raven afterwards, and we repaired
>> to
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> bar at the Paramount
>>>>>>> hotel. Lots of gossipy chin-wagging ensued.
>>>>> Raven
>>>>>>> drank mineral water the
>>>>>>> entire time. Businss dealings with all things
>>>>>>> Killing Joke continue to be a
>>>>>>> stupefying mess, but he does not rule out
>>>>> re-joining
>>>>>>> the fold. Lots of
>>>>>>> bullshit and deception in the air, but Raven
>>>>> seems
>>>>>>> to approach proceedings
>>>>>>> from a "life's too short" perspective, to his
>>>>>>> credit. GEMS OF POWER, as has
>>>>>>> been suggested, will probably never see the
>>>>> light of
>>>>>>> day. Raven was
>>>>>>> surprised to hear that the `Joke have
>> evidently
>>>>>>> dropped the new material
>>>>>>> from their live set. For you Yank radio fans,
>>>>>>> evidently Raven and Al will be
>>>>>>> guests on Opie & Anthony today (which may have
>>>>>>> already happened).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Overall, while it was great fun hanging out
>> with
>>>>>>> Raven (who sends his
>>>>>>> regards to you all, though is not subscribed
>> to
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Gathering these days),
>>>>>>> the Ministry show was far from the best thing
>>>>> I've
>>>>>>> ever seen. Bring
>>>>>>> earplugs, if you're going.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pictures to follow. Not many, though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Pssyche <pssyche at soia.freeserve.co.uk>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Jun 15, 2006 10:48 AM
>>>>>>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke
>> (the
>>>>>>> band!)"
>>>>>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> me and a mate are going - tickets are $20 -
>> and
>>>>>>> I've been warned not to
>>>>>>>> wander anywhere away from the venue and not
>> to
>>>>> hang
>>>>>>> about afterwards
>>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>>> However, I was told the venue is great and
>>>>> Detroit
>>>>>>> crowds are the best in
>>>>>>>> the USA so.....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Christof hamille"
>>>>>>> <wessidetempest at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: <gathering at misera.net>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 5:32 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No I wish.
>>>>>>>>> Harpo's.
>>>>>>>>> Straight up metal veune complete with thugs
>>>>> for
>>>>>>> security.  In a shitty
>>>>>>>> part
>>>>>>>>> of town (do not leave an empty bottle in
>> your
>>>>> car
>>>>>>> in fear of being broken
>>>>>>>>> into and stolen).
>>>>>>>>> I'll put it this way.  I have seen Motörhead
>>>>>>> there twice.  Gwar with the
>>>>>>>>> Dickies and Buzzoven (opening bnads is whay
>> I
>>>>>>> went) at this venue.  Back
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the day the Dead Kennedy's and the Ramones
>>>>> would
>>>>>>> play there
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Want to go?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ugghh
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: P Bernardi <phantasmas at erols.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: phantasmas at erols.com,"A list
>> about
>>>>> all
>>>>>>> things Killing Joke
>>>>>>> (the
>>>>>>>>>> band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke
>>>>> (the
>>>>>>> band!)"
>>>>>>>>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:27:33 -0400
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> which venue in Detroit is it? Is it the
>> same
>>>>> one
>>>>>>> thats down the road
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> Majestic/Magic stick?
>>>>>>>>>> p-
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Christof hamille wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Alex let me know how it is.  Really I have
>>>>> no
>>>>>>> desire to go other then
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> see Raven and Bruchdel (sp?).  I am
>>>>> guessing
>>>>>>> the tix will be $30 after
>>>>>>>>>>> service charge and I am being a snob.
>> Plus
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Detroit show is at a
>>>>>>>>>>> notorious metal venue that is in a shitty
>>>>> part
>>>>>>> of town with even
>>>>>>>> shittier
>>>>>>>>>>> security.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If I could get in somehow without forking
>>>>> out
>>>>>>> the dough I would (simply
>>>>>>>>>>> because of the venue).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would rather hand Al my money in person
>>>>> then
>>>>>>> through that place
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> drunk in Detroit
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: Alex Smith
>>>>>>> <vassifer at earthlink.net>,"A list about all
>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>>> Killing Joke (the
>>>>>>> band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke
>>>>> (the
>>>>>>> band!)"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <gathering at misera.net>,
>>>>> gathering at misera.net,
>>>>>>> partyslammer at socal.rr.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:20:16 -0400
>>>>> (EDT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Should've asked this earlier, but is
>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>> else (apart from m'self)
>>>>>>>>>>>> going tonight at BB King's?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lemme know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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