[kj] Ministry in NYC tonight

Sat Jun 17 13:06:01 EDT 2006

Ahoy all.....

Just re-touching base. I know I promised pics, but I forgot to take  
any during the show (concentrating, instead, on drinking beer). In  
any case, I have  brief wrap-up, a pic of Raven and some needless  
musings on Ministry on my shitty weblog. Please avail yourselves to  
it by clicking below.

http://vassifer.blogs.com

Cheers,
Alex in NYC

On Jun 17, 2006, at 3:54 AM, Jari Pakarinen wrote:

> Strange because Stigmata is not even that hard a song to play. I  
> mean it's like Psyche. Fast but not too fast. There is the double  
> bass part in there but it's not long.
>
> Jari
>
> Leigh Newton kirjoitti 17.6.2006 kello 9.33:
>
>> That's exactly what i was thinking going in. I think
>> Slipknot are a joke but i was at least confident in
>> the fact that the guy would be a solid, death metal
>> style, double-pedal machine-gunning drummer. Which is
>> perfect for Ministry. Maybe it's the fact that he was
>> playing along with pre-programmed beats that was
>> throwing off his game. But man, he barely hit hard at
>> all and sort of eked his way through the set. It would
>> have been amazing with the drummer from Fear Factory.
>> That guy probably farts out double-pedal bursts.
>>
>> Leigh
>>
>>
>> --- Christof hamille <wessidetempest at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Isn't this the Slipknot guy?  And shouldn't Ministry
>>> be a cakewalk for him?
>>> I know little to nothing about Slipknot but it seems
>>> like any metal drummer
>>> that is good should find this easy.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Leigh Newton <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com>
>>>> Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke
>>> (the
>>>> band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
>>> band!)"
>>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
>>>> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:40:49 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>
>>>> Raven gave me and my friend copies of the new
>>> Ministry
>>>> CD and some of it is actually pretty rad,
>>>> particularily the first 2 tracks. The Joey Jordison
>>>> criticisms are dead on. He absolutely sucked,
>>> played
>>>> with no conviction whatsoever, and slopped up
>>> Stigmata
>>>> when I saw them as well. Lucky for him that he's
>>>> playing along with pre-programmed beats, otherwise
>>> the
>>>> whole deal would have been one big pisstake.
>>>>
>>>> Leigh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- Pssyche <pssyche at soia.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for that Alex - I saw both nights at BB
>>> Kings
>>>>> on their last
>>>>> 'EvilDoer' tour and thought the venue was shit,
>>>>> hence our decision to go
>>>>> somewhere else this time round. Most of the
>>> negative
>>>>> posts on Ministry's
>>>>> Piss Army site have the same criticisms -
>>> slagging
>>>>> off Joey Jordison, while
>>>>> many seem to think it's too loud.
>>>>> I love the newer stuff myself, to be honest I
>>> get a
>>>>> bit fed up with 'So
>>>>> What' etc being played every show - similarities
>>>>> with the Joke (and indeed
>>>>> many other bands) in that predictable setlists
>>> get
>>>>> on the regulars' tits!!!
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Alex Smith" <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
>>>>> band!)"
>>>>> <gathering at misera.net>; "A list about all things
>>>>> Killing Joke (the band!)"
>>>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 4:24 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll post a longer, more detailed review later,
>>> but
>>>>> some thoughts re:
>>>>> Ministry last night....
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. BB Kings Blues Bar was the *WRONG* venue to
>>> book
>>>>> this show. Too small (it
>>>>> was totally packed) and the sound is so
>>> compressed
>>>>> that it was akin to
>>>>> standing in front of a 747 engine for three
>>> hours.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Did not catch the Pitbull Daycare, and don't
>>>>> really feel a great deal of
>>>>> remorse.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. I met my friend Christina (she from that
>>> fabled
>>>>> earlier photo with m'self
>>>>> and Raven on Andy's Gathering site) and her
>>> friend
>>>>> John and made it in no
>>>>> problem. Raven gamely put Peggy (my wife) on the
>>>>> list as well, but she
>>>>> couldn't make it (someone had to mind the kids),
>>> so
>>>>> my "date" or plus-one
>>>>> ended up being Julya (slutty and stupid ex-FUSE
>>>>> veejay), who is a friend of
>>>>> John's. She was hungover and unfriendly and was
>>>>> later seen being asked to
>>>>> leave the venue by security. Rock'n'roll!
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. The Revolting Cocks were easily the high
>>> point of
>>>>> the show. Opened with
>>>>> "Beers, Steers + Queers," and suddenly a wave of
>>>>> early-90's nostalgia swept
>>>>> over the room. Luc Van Acker has not aged well
>>> and
>>>>> is now a total buffoon.
>>>>> There is another vocalist who looks a bit like
>>>>> Crispin Glover/Hitler who I
>>>>> was unfamiliar with. And he's a bit of an
>>> idiotic
>>>>> bore. But the rest of the
>>>>> band (featuring the odd ex-Skatenig, I believe)
>>> was
>>>>> great. The bass player
>>>>> (not Raven) is indeed a huge hottie, somewhat
>>> like
>>>>> vintage-era Corey from
>>>>> Nashville Pussy. They also played: "Attack Ships
>>> On
>>>>> Fire" (my personal
>>>>> fave), "D'ya Think I'm Sexy," "Let's Get
>>> Physical"
>>>>> and a rousing version of
>>>>> "Stainless Steel Providers." They also did a
>>> cover
>>>>> of "Dark Entries" (by
>>>>> Bauhaus), which was surprisingly faithful. An
>>>>> excellent performance.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5. Lots of drunk idiots in the crowd. And sweaty
>>>>> males. Did not spot a
>>>>> SINGLE Killing Joke shirt (other than the one I
>>> was
>>>>> sporting).
>>>>>
>>>>> 6. Ministry come on. Bones on the mics.
>>> Projection
>>>>> behind at all times.
>>>>> Strobes. Raven a good two feet taller than his
>>>>> bandmates. Both Raven and Al
>>>>> sporting Jaz-esque black warpaint. Raven gets a
>>> pass
>>>>> for this, as far as I'm
>>>>> concerned, but try being original, AL!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> 7. The Ministry set: lots and lots and lots and
>>> lots
>>>>> of new stuff. And ya
>>>>> know what? It's DULLLLLLLLLLL. Totally
>>>>> monocrhomatic. Very little deviation.
>>>>>
>>>>> 8. Tommy Victor must have made some pact with
>>> the
>>>>> devil, as he has not aged
>>>>> a day. He is also VERY energetic on stage. Man
>>> loves
>>>>> his work.  He and Al
>>>>> Jourgensen, according to Raven, do not get on
>>> well,
>>>>> and Raven has to act as
>>>>> go-between.
>>>>>
>>>>> 9. It was Mike Scaccia's birthday. He was
>>> wearing a
>>>>> Lynyrd Skynyrd shirt.
>>>>> Most unfortunate, this.
>>>>>
>>>>> 10. Joey from Slipknot on drums -- Raven loves
>>> him
>>>>> (and evidently GEORDIE
>>>>> does to, so sayeth Raven), but he was clearly
>>> having
>>>>> a hard time keeping up.
>>>>> Couldn't tell if he was wearing a mask or not,
>>> but
>>>>> he's clearly a freaky
>>>>> lookin' dude.
>>>>>
>>>>> 11. Bechdel still has the `hawk.
>>>>>
>>>>> 12. Songs played in addition to new stuff:
>>> "N.W.O,"
>>>>> "Thieves," "So What,"
>>>>> "Just One Fix," and a truly dead-on-arrival limp
>>>>> through "Stigmata" wherein
>>>>> poor Joey started to lose his place. Most
>>>>> unfortunate.
>>>>>
>>>>> 13. Al Jourgensen clearly has a lot to say about
>>> the
>>>>> Bush Administration and
>>>>> how this country is going down the toilet, but
>>>>> y'know what? For all anyone
>>>>> could hear (let alone decipher through his
>>> heavily
>>>>> treated, vocoded vocals),
>>>>> he could've just been screaming out the names of
>>> all
>>>>> the State capitals. All
>>>>> gobbledigook.
>>>>>
>>>>> 14. It was VERY loud. No surprises there.
>>>>>
>>>>> 15. Raven - clearly enjoying himself, though
>>> seemed
>>>>> a bit upset onstage
>>>>> (it's always somewhat hard to distinguish these
>>> two
>>>>> expressions).
>>>>>
>>>>> Met up with Raven afterwards, and we repaired to
>>> the
>>>>> bar at the Paramount
>>>>> hotel. Lots of gossipy chin-wagging ensued.
>>> Raven
>>>>> drank mineral water the
>>>>> entire time. Businss dealings with all things
>>>>> Killing Joke continue to be a
>>>>> stupefying mess, but he does not rule out
>>> re-joining
>>>>> the fold. Lots of
>>>>> bullshit and deception in the air, but Raven
>>> seems
>>>>> to approach proceedings
>>>>> from a "life's too short" perspective, to his
>>>>> credit. GEMS OF POWER, as has
>>>>> been suggested, will probably never see the
>>> light of
>>>>> day. Raven was
>>>>> surprised to hear that the `Joke have evidently
>>>>> dropped the new material
>>>>> from their live set. For you Yank radio fans,
>>>>> evidently Raven and Al will be
>>>>> guests on Opie & Anthony today (which may have
>>>>> already happened).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Overall, while it was great fun hanging out with
>>>>> Raven (who sends his
>>>>> regards to you all, though is not subscribed to
>>> the
>>>>> Gathering these days),
>>>>> the Ministry show was far from the best thing
>>> I've
>>>>> ever seen. Bring
>>>>> earplugs, if you're going.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pictures to follow. Not many, though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Pssyche <pssyche at soia.freeserve.co.uk>
>>>>>> Sent: Jun 15, 2006 10:48 AM
>>>>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
>>>>> band!)"
>>>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
>>>>>>
>>>>>> me and a mate are going - tickets are $20 - and
>>>>> I've been warned not to
>>>>>> wander anywhere away from the venue and not to
>>> hang
>>>>> about afterwards
>>>>> either.
>>>>>> However, I was told the venue is great and
>>> Detroit
>>>>> crowds are the best in
>>>>>> the USA so.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Christof hamille"
>>>>> <wessidetempest at hotmail.com>
>>>>>> To: <gathering at misera.net>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 5:32 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No I wish.
>>>>>>> Harpo's.
>>>>>>> Straight up metal veune complete with thugs
>>> for
>>>>> security.  In a shitty
>>>>>> part
>>>>>>> of town (do not leave an empty bottle in your
>>> car
>>>>> in fear of being broken
>>>>>>> into and stolen).
>>>>>>> I'll put it this way.  I have seen Motörhead
>>>>> there twice.  Gwar with the
>>>>>>> Dickies and Buzzoven (opening bnads is whay I
>>>>> went) at this venue.  Back
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the day the Dead Kennedy's and the Ramones
>>> would
>>>>> play there
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Want to go?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ugghh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: P Bernardi <phantasmas at erols.com>
>>>>>>>> Reply-To: phantasmas at erols.com,"A list about
>>> all
>>>>> things Killing Joke
>>>>> (the
>>>>>>>> band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke
>>> (the
>>>>> band!)"
>>>>>>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:27:33 -0400
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> which venue in Detroit is it? Is it the same
>>> one
>>>>> thats down the road
>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> Majestic/Magic stick?
>>>>>>>> p-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Christof hamille wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alex let me know how it is.  Really I have
>>> no
>>>>> desire to go other then
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> see Raven and Bruchdel (sp?).  I am
>>> guessing
>>>>> the tix will be $30 after
>>>>>>>>> service charge and I am being a snob.  Plus
>>> the
>>>>> Detroit show is at a
>>>>>>>>> notorious metal venue that is in a shitty
>>> part
>>>>> of town with even
>>>>>> shittier
>>>>>>>>> security.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If I could get in somehow without forking
>>> out
>>>>> the dough I would (simply
>>>>>>>>> because of the venue).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would rather hand Al my money in person
>>> then
>>>>> through that place
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> drunk in Detroit
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: Alex Smith
>>>>> <vassifer at earthlink.net>,"A list about all
>>> things
>>>>>>>>>> Killing Joke (the
>>>>> band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke
>>> (the
>>>>> band!)"
>>>>>>>>>> <gathering at misera.net>,
>>> gathering at misera.net,
>>>>> partyslammer at socal.rr.com
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:20:16 -0400
>>> (EDT)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Should've asked this earlier, but is
>>> anyone
>>>>> else (apart from m'self)
>>>>>>>>>> going tonight at BB King's?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lemme know.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>
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