[kj] Ministry in NYC tonight

Leigh Newton angrytomhanks at yahoo.com
Thu Jun 15 20:40:49 EDT 2006 

Raven gave me and my friend copies of the new Ministry
CD and some of it is actually pretty rad,
particularily the first 2 tracks. The Joey Jordison
criticisms are dead on. He absolutely sucked, played
with no conviction whatsoever, and slopped up Stigmata
when I saw them as well. Lucky for him that he's
playing along with pre-programmed beats, otherwise the
whole deal would have been one big pisstake. 

Leigh


--- Pssyche <pssyche at soia.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

> Thanks for that Alex - I saw both nights at BB Kings
> on their last
> 'EvilDoer' tour and thought the venue was shit,
> hence our decision to go
> somewhere else this time round. Most of the negative
> posts on Ministry's
> Piss Army site have the same criticisms - slagging
> off Joey Jordison, while
> many seem to think it's too loud.
> I love the newer stuff myself, to be honest I get a
> bit fed up with 'So
> What' etc being played every show - similarities
> with the Joke (and indeed
> many other bands) in that predictable setlists get
> on the regulars' tits!!!
> Cheers
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alex Smith" <vassifer at earthlink.net>
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> band!)"
> <gathering at misera.net>; "A list about all things
> Killing Joke (the band!)"
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 4:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I'll post a longer, more detailed review later, but
> some thoughts re:
> Ministry last night....
> 
> 1. BB Kings Blues Bar was the *WRONG* venue to book
> this show. Too small (it
> was totally packed) and the sound is so compressed
> that it was akin to
> standing in front of a 747 engine for three hours.
> 
> 2. Did not catch the Pitbull Daycare, and don't
> really feel a great deal of
> remorse.
> 
> 3. I met my friend Christina (she from that fabled
> earlier photo with m'self
> and Raven on Andy's Gathering site) and her friend
> John and made it in no
> problem. Raven gamely put Peggy (my wife) on the
> list as well, but she
> couldn't make it (someone had to mind the kids), so
> my "date" or plus-one
> ended up being Julya (slutty and stupid ex-FUSE
> veejay), who is a friend of
> John's. She was hungover and unfriendly and was
> later seen being asked to
> leave the venue by security. Rock'n'roll!
> 
> 4. The Revolting Cocks were easily the high point of
> the show. Opened with
> "Beers, Steers + Queers," and suddenly a wave of
> early-90's nostalgia swept
> over the room. Luc Van Acker has not aged well and
> is now a total buffoon.
> There is another vocalist who looks a bit like
> Crispin Glover/Hitler who I
> was unfamiliar with. And he's a bit of an idiotic
> bore. But the rest of the
> band (featuring the odd ex-Skatenig, I believe) was
> great. The bass player
> (not Raven) is indeed a huge hottie, somewhat like
> vintage-era Corey from
> Nashville Pussy. They also played: "Attack Ships On
> Fire" (my personal
> fave), "D'ya Think I'm Sexy," "Let's Get Physical"
> and a rousing version of
> "Stainless Steel Providers." They also did a cover
> of "Dark Entries" (by
> Bauhaus), which was surprisingly faithful. An
> excellent performance.
> 
> 5. Lots of drunk idiots in the crowd. And sweaty
> males. Did not spot a
> SINGLE Killing Joke shirt (other than the one I was
> sporting).
> 
> 6. Ministry come on. Bones on the mics. Projection
> behind at all times.
> Strobes. Raven a good two feet taller than his
> bandmates. Both Raven and Al
> sporting Jaz-esque black warpaint. Raven gets a pass
> for this, as far as I'm
> concerned, but try being original, AL!!!!
> 
> 7. The Ministry set: lots and lots and lots and lots
> of new stuff. And ya
> know what? It's DULLLLLLLLLLL. Totally
> monocrhomatic. Very little deviation.
> 
> 8. Tommy Victor must have made some pact with the
> devil, as he has not aged
> a day. He is also VERY energetic on stage. Man loves
> his work.  He and Al
> Jourgensen, according to Raven, do not get on well,
> and Raven has to act as
> go-between.
> 
> 9. It was Mike Scaccia's birthday. He was wearing a
> Lynyrd Skynyrd shirt.
> Most unfortunate, this.
> 
> 10. Joey from Slipknot on drums -- Raven loves him
> (and evidently GEORDIE
> does to, so sayeth Raven), but he was clearly having
> a hard time keeping up.
> Couldn't tell if he was wearing a mask or not, but
> he's clearly a freaky
> lookin' dude.
> 
> 11. Bechdel still has the `hawk.
> 
> 12. Songs played in addition to new stuff: "N.W.O,"
> "Thieves," "So What,"
> "Just One Fix," and a truly dead-on-arrival limp
> through "Stigmata" wherein
> poor Joey started to lose his place. Most
> unfortunate.
> 
> 13. Al Jourgensen clearly has a lot to say about the
> Bush Administration and
> how this country is going down the toilet, but
> y'know what? For all anyone
> could hear (let alone decipher through his heavily
> treated, vocoded vocals),
> he could've just been screaming out the names of all
> the State capitals. All
> gobbledigook.
> 
> 14. It was VERY loud. No surprises there.
> 
> 15. Raven - clearly enjoying himself, though seemed
> a bit upset onstage
> (it's always somewhat hard to distinguish these two
> expressions).
> 
> Met up with Raven afterwards, and we repaired to the
> bar at the Paramount
> hotel. Lots of gossipy chin-wagging ensued. Raven
> drank mineral water the
> entire time. Businss dealings with all things
> Killing Joke continue to be a
> stupefying mess, but he does not rule out re-joining
> the fold. Lots of
> bullshit and deception in the air, but Raven seems
> to approach proceedings
> from a "life's too short" perspective, to his
> credit. GEMS OF POWER, as has
> been suggested, will probably never see the light of
> day. Raven was
> surprised to hear that the `Joke have evidently
> dropped the new material
> from their live set. For you Yank radio fans,
> evidently Raven and Al will be
> guests on Opie & Anthony today (which may have
> already happened).
> 
> 
> Overall, while it was great fun hanging out with
> Raven (who sends his
> regards to you all, though is not subscribed to the
> Gathering these days),
> the Ministry show was far from the best thing I've
> ever seen. Bring
> earplugs, if you're going.
> 
> Pictures to follow. Not many, though.
> 
> Cheers,
> Alex in NYC
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Pssyche <pssyche at soia.freeserve.co.uk>
> >Sent: Jun 15, 2006 10:48 AM
> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> band!)"
> <gathering at misera.net>
> >Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
> >
> >me and a mate are going - tickets are $20 - and
> I've been warned not to
> >wander anywhere away from the venue and not to hang
> about afterwards
> either.
> >However, I was told the venue is great and Detroit
> crowds are the best in
> >the USA so.....
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Christof hamille"
> <wessidetempest at hotmail.com>
> >To: <gathering at misera.net>
> >Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 5:32 AM
> >Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
> >
> >
> >> No I wish.
> >> Harpo's.
> >> Straight up metal veune complete with thugs for
> security.  In a shitty
> >part
> >> of town (do not leave an empty bottle in your car
> in fear of being broken
> >> into and stolen).
> >> I'll put it this way.  I have seen Motörhead
> there twice.  Gwar with the
> >> Dickies and Buzzoven (opening bnads is whay I
> went) at this venue.  Back
> >in
> >> the day the Dead Kennedy's and the Ramones would
> play there
> >>
> >> Want to go?
> >>
> >> ugghh
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >> >From: P Bernardi <phantasmas at erols.com>
> >> >Reply-To: phantasmas at erols.com,"A list about all
> things Killing Joke
> (the
> >> >band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
> >> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> band!)"
> >> ><gathering at misera.net>
> >> >Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
> >> >Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:27:33 -0400
> >> >
> >> >Chris,
> >> >
> >> >which venue in Detroit is it? Is it the same one
> thats down the road
> from
> >> >Majestic/Magic stick?
> >> >p-
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Christof hamille wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Alex let me know how it is.  Really I have no
> desire to go other then
> to
> >> >>see Raven and Bruchdel (sp?).  I am guessing
> the tix will be $30 after
> >> >>service charge and I am being a snob.  Plus the
> Detroit show is at a
> >> >>notorious metal venue that is in a shitty part
> of town with even
> >shittier
> >> >>security.
> >> >>
> >> >>If I could get in somehow without forking out
> the dough I would (simply
> >> >>because of the venue).
> >> >>
> >> >>I would rather hand Al my money in person then
> through that place
> >> >>
> >> >>Chris
> >> >>
> >> >>drunk in Detroit
> >> >>
> >> >>>From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
> >> >>>Reply-To: Alex Smith
> <vassifer at earthlink.net>,"A list about all things
> >> >>>Killing Joke (the
> band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
> >> >>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> band!)"
> >> >>><gathering at misera.net>, gathering at misera.net,
> partyslammer at socal.rr.com
> >> >>>Subject: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
> >> >>>Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:20:16 -0400 (EDT)
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Should've asked this earlier, but is anyone
> else (apart from m'self)
> >> >>>going tonight at BB King's?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Lemme know.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Alex in NYC
> >>
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