[kj] Recent KJ trivia (and Raven)

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Seconded. The more time goes by, the more I respect CRASS. Can't say that I have much time for the bulk of their music, mind you...

iPat <pmdavies at gmail.com> writes:

>no not really. They made their point and let you go on and decide what you wanted to do about it. When all the socialist revolutionaries had deserted the miners in 84, the likes of crass were still churning out benefits for the families. The number of bands who got a heads up start either at their gigs or via the bullshit detectors or were encouraged to do it themselves. They were a big thorn in the side of those who wanted to make 'punk' an even bigger rip off and when did you hear of any other band being discussed in Parliament over anti war songs?
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>I was very close to the crass camp in those days and was witness to the police intimidation, the pressure from the establishment, the fans who seemed to miss the point but who were never 'put down' or ridiculed. The rise of CND at that time was undisputedly aligned with the use by Crass of the peace symbol which was not prominent at that time. How naiive was that? 
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>When 'punk' bands decided that they were now more 'Sophisticated' youd still find crass playing with the subs in a dingy old pub.
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>Naiive? I saw the other year Ignorant, Pen and Gee at Dial House still living to their ideals. Annie is now busy in New York. Andy is an artist in Cornwall i believe. Pete has a folk band and regularly appears at the Essex Jazz festival. Phil and Joy are still very active in South London. Eve is still involved with Crass Agenda.
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>You can only do what you think is appropriate and they are not really open to critisism on that subject. How can that be naiive?
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>On 6/1/06, Robert Mallett <Robert at jrcardwell.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
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>>  Don't you feel that Crass, while erstwhile, were also full of (naive) shit? At least the Joke have dealt with the 'Big One'; the collapse of contemporary civilisation for which there is no remedy.