[kj] Re: How is Jester?
Georg P?r Sveinbj?rnsson
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Mon Jan 30 16:59:44 EST 2006
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:09:47 -0500 (EST)
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> 1. RE: Re: Hosannas promo RAR file needs password (ade)
> 2. RE: Re: Hosannas promo RAR file needs password (F Luke)
> 3. RE: Re: Hosannas promo RAR file needs password (Rob's Arse)
> 4. RE: Re: Hosannas promo RAR file needs password (Jim Harper)
> 5. Re: Re: Hosannas promo RAR file needs password (Alexander Smith)
> 6. Re: Guess the bass?! (Bish)
> 7. F LUKE (Rob's Arse)
> 8. Re: Re: [kj] Guess the bass?! (Bish)
> 9. Re: F LUKE (bluce ree)
> 10. Re: Re: Hosannas promo RAR file needs password (Bish)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:16:24 -0000
> From: "ade" <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
> Subject: RE: [kj] Re: Hosannas promo RAR file needs password
> To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'"
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> Honestly mate, I wouldn't even bother. Nice try though.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Darren A. Peace
> Sent: 29 January 2006 14:19
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Subject: [kj] Re: Hosannas promo RAR file needs password
>
>
>
>
> From: F Luke <fluke_839 at fsmail.net>
>
> ... I dont believe that everyone has the right to own complete albums unless
> they help pay for the albums making
>
> ... Upload the new album once it has been released, but not TWO months
> BEFORE the official release.
>
> =======================================
>
> What a muddy and confused response! Saying in the same (sort of) paragraph
> that everyone does not have the right to own a complete album without paying
> for it (I'm presuming that you mean that no-one does, rather than that there
> can be exceptions), and then granting permission to upload it once it's been
> released!
>
> I don't feel the need to add to my former post, as yours has ignored the
> points I made and is befuddled and irrational. I would say, however, that
> most industries have promotional budgets, and builders (to use the example
> you cite) will offer cash incentives to secure a sale (I concede that there
> is no more direct equivalent in the building world, although there are many
> more appropriate parallels in other media, such as the DVD and book trades).
> You seem to be arguing a point based on the premise that every single copy
> of this album is given away, which I don't think is justified. Any record
> company issuing promos is disingenuous at best if they are not aware of the
> likelihood that the promo will be leaked / sold.
>
> I also believe that Reza has confirmed that the leaked tracks do not
> represent the finished mixes, although I can't post a link as the KJ message
> board has currently exceeded its bandwidth. It is my understanding that the
> tracks were leaked in order to generate excitement and feedback prior to the
> final mixing process, and it seems to me that both aims have been achieved.
>
> Thanks, however, for acknowledging my right to decide for myself what to do.
> I accept that you (seem, as there is contradiction in your post, to)
> disapprove of my choice (as is your right), and have no doubt that you have
> already deleted these tracks from your computer, following your epiphany.
>
> I have nothing further to say about this issue on the mailing list.
>
> Darren
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:28:24 +0100 (CET)
> From: F Luke <fluke_839 at fsmail.net>
> Subject: RE: [kj] Re: Hosannas promo RAR file needs password
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Message-ID: <4525507.1138555704600.JavaMail.www at wwinf3001>
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> I must first apologise for writing such a "befuddled and irrational "
> response, but you must understand that I do a traditional mans job and
> therefore have no need to improve on my "office" skills. I tried to answer
> most of your points, but I can tell by your response that you did nt
> understand my points .
> I'm left with no option but to explain in detail: If a builder spent
> three years of his life and a lot of money building a row of houses and then
> bought some customers around to purchase them, would he be happy if half the
> house were occupied by squatters who claimed the houses as theirs and refused
> to move out? ( I'm making comparisons between people getting valuable things
> for nothing, when someone who made these valuable things spent time and money
> doing it and receives nothing in return). I also did nt "grant permission"
> for albums being uploaded upon release, I merely acknowledged that it will
> happen, Ideally it would be fair if ALL albums were made freely available a
> year after their release date, giving the albums time to generate some cash.
> How you can possibly think that making an album freely available two months
> before its release will not harm sales is beyond me. I don't know what work
> you do, but would you be happy if you spent three years making something
> , then people come to help themselves to it, without giving you anything in
> return? "Excitement " is generated by leaking a few songs, not the whole
> album!!!
> You keep saying that the band wanted the whole album leaked, but why
> did nt they upload it themselves then? What right do you have to speak on
> behalf of killing Joke? What gives you the right to give their music away?
> That is the bottom line: It was nt your music to give away.
> So whatever you wanted is irrelevant , you are free to record an album
> yourself and upload it, but you should nt divulge things that you have no
> ownership over. You have done a massive disservice to the band and quite
> frankly ,fucked them over, big time ( sorry, could nt think of a better
> phrase)
> As your typing is so good, I would assume that you work in a female
> environment, that is probably why you do not understand the meaning of trust
> and honour, you are more concerned with spreading gossip, unfortunately this
> time it was nt gossip but it was someones livelihood.
> The bottom line is: You had no right to do what you did...............no
> right at all
> F.Luke
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ========================================
> Message Received: Jan 29 2006, 02:19 PM
> From: "Darren A. Peace"
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Cc:
> Subject: [kj] Re: Hosannas promo RAR file needs password
>
>
>
> =======================================
>
> What a muddy and confused response! Saying in the same (sort of) paragraph
> that everyone does not have the right to own a complete album without paying
> for it (I'm presuming that you mean that no-one does, rather than that there
> can be exceptions), and then granting permission to upload it once it's been
> released!
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> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:51:42 -0800 (PST)
> From: Rob's Arse <joker at Z6.com>
> Subject: RE: [kj] Re: Hosannas promo RAR file needs password
> To: fluke_839 at fsmail.net, "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
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> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:04:34 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: RE: [kj] Re: Hosannas promo RAR file needs password
> To: fluke_839 at fsmail.net, "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
> Message-ID: <20060129180435.29881.qmail at web86901.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
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> For someone who has just insulted half the human race needlessly (that is to
> say, it's not actually connected to your argument), I can't see why you are
> at all concerned about being insulted. Obviously insulting people is an
> acceptable form of communication for you. If it's not, then fine, I'm glad we
> won't be seeing any more insults from you.
>
> Jim.
>
> F Luke <fluke_839 at fsmail.net> wrote:
> I must first apologise for writing such a "befuddled and irrational "
> response, but you must understand that I do a traditional mans job and
> therefore have no need to improve on my "office" skills. I tried to answer
> most of your points, but I can tell by your response that you did nt
> understand my points . I'm left with no option but to explain in
> detail: If a builder spent three years of his life and a lot of money
> building a row of houses and then bought some customers around to purchase
> them, would he be happy if half the house were occupied by squatters who
> claimed the houses as theirs and refused to move out? ( I'm making
> comparisons between people getting valuable things for nothing, when someone
> who made these valuable things spent time and money doing it and receives
> nothing in return). I also did nt "grant permission" for albums being
> uploaded upon release, I merely acknowledged that it will happen, Ideally it
> would be fair if ALL albums were made freely av
> ailable
> a year after their release date, giving the albums time to generate some
> cash. How you can possibly think that making an album freely available two
> months before its release will not harm sales is beyond me. I don't know what
> work you do, but would you be happy if you spent three years making
> something, then people come to help themselves to it, without giving you
> anything in return? "Excitement " is generated by leaking a few songs, not
> the whole album!!!
> You keep saying that the band wanted the whole album leaked, but
> why did nt they upload it themselves then? What right do you have to speak on
> behalf of killing Joke? What gives you the right to give their music away?
> That is the bottom line: It was nt your music to give away.
> So whatever you wanted is irrelevant , you are free to record an album
> yourself and upload it, but you should nt divulge things that you have no
> ownership over. You have done a massive disservice to the band and quite
> frankly ,fucked them over, big time ( sorry, could nt think of a better
> phrase)
> As your typing is so good, I would assume that you work in a female
> environment, that is probably why you do not understand the meaning of trust
> and honour, you are more concerned with spreading gossip, unfortunately this
> time it was nt gossip but it was someones livelihood.
> The bottom line is: You had no right to do what you
> did...............no right at all
> F.Luke
>
>
>
>
>
> ========================================
> Message Received: Jan 29 2006, 02:19 PM
> From: "Darren A. Peace"
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Cc:
> Subject: [kj] Re: Hosannas promo RAR file needs password
>
>
>
> =======================================
>
> What a muddy and confused response! Saying in the same (sort of) paragraph
> that everyone does not have the right to own a complete album without paying
> for it (I'm presuming that you mean that no-one does, rather than that there
> can be exceptions), and then granting permission to upload it once it's been
> released!
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> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:22:04 -0500
> From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [kj] Re: Hosannas promo RAR file needs password
> To: fluke_839 at fsmail.net, "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
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>
> "even telling fat people they are fat is not abuse"
>
> I know a few portly folks who would STRENUOUSLY beg to differ with
> you on that point.
>
> Alex in NYC
>
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2006, at 7:06 AM, F Luke wrote:
>
> > Advising fat people what to eat is NOT abuse, even telling fat
> > people they are fat is not abuse, it is just stating facts, whilst
> > telling someone to "fuck you" is indeed mindless abuse. "Bragging "
> > was also the incorrect word to use, I was hardly "bragging" was I?
> > And it is my prerogative whether I use Bloke or dude.
> >
> > F Luke
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ========================================
> > Message Received: Jan 29 2006, 11:32 AM
> > From: "Leigh Newton"
> > To: fluke_839 at fsmail.net, "A list about all things Killing Joke
> > (the band!)"
> > Cc:
> > Subject: RE: [kj] Re: Hosannas promo RAR file needs password
> >
> > I am male, but i'm from Canada, not the UK. So that
> > makes me a dude. Not a bloke. And that wasn't irony.
> > That was sarcasm. The lowest and best form of humour.
> > Suits you fine.
> >
> > Leigh
> >
> > PS-I wouldn't have thought someone who was bragging
> > about telling some woman to her face that she's fat
> > would be too concerned with so-called "abuse". Now
> > THERE'S your irony.
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:49:27 +0000
> From: Bish <salja at tiscali.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [kj] Guess the bass?!
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Message-ID: <43DD1C47.9020602 at tiscali.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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> Thanks!
>
> JStrisino at aol.com wrote:
>
> > I think Les Claypool might be playing a Carl Thompson Scroll Bass in
> > that vid?!
> >
> > J
> >
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> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 11:51:43 -0800 (PST)
> From: Rob's Arse <joker at Z6.com>
> Subject: [kj] F LUKE
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> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:53:37 +0000
> From: Bish <salja at tiscali.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Re: [kj] Guess the bass?!
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> <gathering at misera.net>
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> http://www.celebrityrockstarguitars.com/rock/claypool.htm
>
> Ave a go at the price!!!!!! Rip off
>
> Bish wrote:
>
> > Thanks!
> >
> > JStrisino at aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> I think Les Claypool might be playing a Carl Thompson Scroll Bass in
> >> that vid?!
> >>
> >> J
> >>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:08:54 +0000 (GMT)
> From: bluce ree <bluceree2003 at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [kj] F LUKE
> To: joker at Z6.com, "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Message-ID: <20060129200854.19559.qmail at web26312.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
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> i dont know what it is but the KJ internet presence is
> plagued by people like this. It's like one goes and
> then another takes his place.
>
> The chat and the messageboards always seems to have at
> least one confrontational, unfunny and all too active
> prick on there at any given time.
>
>
> --- Rob's Arse <joker at Z6.com> wrote:
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Has been removed from the gathering.
> He'll be back but we all know who he is and frankly,
> it's been nicer without him for a while.
> It's done just to make a point.
>
> Last time he made a dick of himself alot of people
> asked for him to be removed.
> There's always room for people who are reasonable.
>
> Sorry if this offends anyone. It actually goes against
> my principlesand I hope that Andy also doesn't mind.
> Andy, are you there these days?
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:09:00 +0000
> From: Bish <salja at tiscali.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [kj] Re: Hosannas promo RAR file needs password
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Message-ID: <43DD20DC.3070505 at tiscali.co.uk>
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> I think everyone should take a chill pill, opinions are like assholes
> everyone has one. Lets get back on the road chaps?!!!!Please? :-)
>
> Alexander Smith wrote:
>
> >
> > "even telling fat people they are fat is not abuse"
> >
> > I know a few portly folks who would STRENUOUSLY beg to differ with
> > you on that point.
> >
> > Alex in NYC
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 29, 2006, at 7:06 AM, F Luke wrote:
> >
> >> Advising fat people what to eat is NOT abuse, even telling fat
> >> people they are fat is not abuse, it is just stating facts, whilst
> >> telling someone to "fuck you" is indeed mindless abuse. "Bragging "
> >> was also the incorrect word to use, I was hardly "bragging" was I?
> >> And it is my prerogative whether I use Bloke or dude.
> >>
> >> F Luke
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ========================================
> >> Message Received: Jan 29 2006, 11:32 AM
> >> From: "Leigh Newton"
> >> To: fluke_839 at fsmail.net, "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> >> band!)"
> >> Cc:
> >> Subject: RE: [kj] Re: Hosannas promo RAR file needs password
> >>
> >> I am male, but i'm from Canada, not the UK. So that
> >> makes me a dude. Not a bloke. And that wasn't irony.
> >> That was sarcasm. The lowest and best form of humour.
> >> Suits you fine.
> >>
> >> Leigh
> >>
> >> PS-I wouldn't have thought someone who was bragging
> >> about telling some woman to her face that she's fat
> >> would be too concerned with so-called "abuse". Now
> >> THERE'S your irony.
> >>
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