[kj] Re: Hosannas promo RAR file needs password

Leigh Newton angrytomhanks at yahoo.com
Sun Jan 29 00:44:06 EST 2006


No! Not TWO WHOLE MONTHS!!! C'mon guys! 61 days! Be
reasonable. After it's out and available, that's fine.
WHOLE different ballgame. But TWO MONTHS BEFORE?!?!?!
Fuck you. Where's your heart?


--- F Luke <fluke_839 at fsmail.net> wrote:

> It's important to make the distinction between
> released and unreleased songs. I dont believe that
> everyone has the right to own complete albums unless
> they help pay for the albums making (ie buy it). No
> one knows if the songs are the finished version, we
> will only find out when the official one is
> released. KJ sent out the pre released albums to
> people they trusted, KJ trusted people not "release"
> the album before they did. You have breached their
> trust by making it freely available, I'm sure KJ
> will be more cautious next time. People who
> downloaded it have also spread it, so the album is
> now on many P2P sites (without the need for a
> password). No one wants to keep the music a secret,
> but if you want the music you must pay for
> it(contribute too its making). What other industry
> would except giving away their end product? Would a
> builder spend three years making a row of houses and
> then squatters move in without buying them ,so then
> he cant sell them.  KJ need to make money to survive
> and money comes from album sales. Upload the new
> album once it has been released, but not TWO months
> BEFORE the official release. After two months people
> may start to tire of the new album and so wont
> purchase
>           If you think that people should receive
> music without contributing, thats fine. But the
> music you uploaded was nt yours to give away. You
> may have owned the CD, but you do not have legal
> rights to it. You have no right to give things away
> that dont belong to you.
> 
>   F. Luke
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ========================================
> Message Received: Jan 27 2006, 04:33 PM
> From: "Darren A. Peace" 
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Cc: 
> Subject: [kj] Re: Hosannas promo RAR file needs
> password
> 
> 
> 
> >What were the people thinking of when they uploaded
> it to SSK?
> >Who ever uploaded it to file-sharing
> sites.................why did you do
> it?
> 
> Well, as someone who did exactly that, I will
> respond. The mixes were leaked
> early (I believe and hope them not to be final
> mixes), and although I won't
> speculate as to the reasons for this, I will say
> that I don't feel that the
> fact that I was able to download the tracks makes me
> in any way more
> deserving of them than anyone else who wants to hear
> them. Out of interest,
> I monitored pretty closely the downloads of tracks
> from my machine, and
> didn't see anyone who I don't believe to be a member
> of this mailing list
> accessing them. In fact, there was a specific
> request to make the tracks
> available on SoulSeek on this list, as the
> eMule/Donkey/Kazaa network is too
> slow for many people to be of any use. Anyway, the
> fact that the eMule
> download archive of the album has a password that
> isn't immediately obvious
> should reassure you, although I don't see a sensible
> reason for this. The
> thought of people downloading the whole thing to
> find that their work isn't
> over, though, makes me smile.
> 
> Anyone keen to hear rough mixes of several previous
> KJ albums can readily do
> so with a minimum of effort (although I'd very much
> like to hear the longer
> versions of the KJ 2003 tracks. Anyone?). Why should
> this one be any
> different? I believe, based on my own experience,
> that hearing tracks that I
> otherwise wouldn't have done has resulted in me
> making purchases that I
> would have otherwise overlooked. The type of
> downloader who doesn't fuel the
> music industry with purchases will not be a lost
> sale; it seems to me that
> research has shown that downloading music files
> hasn't had the catastrophic
> effect on the record industry that it has been
> moaning about for years, and
> would cite those crappy Arctic Monkeys as a most
> recent rebuttal of this
> concern. I have made purchases of recordings by
> Editors, Interpol, Rammstein
> and several other bands after having downloaded
> tracks out of interest. I'm
> sure I'm not alone in regarding the file sharing
> networks as a more
> comprehensive adjunct to iTunes, in that I can
> listen to more than 30
> seconds of my chosen track before deciding if I want
> the music permanently
> in my tactile collection.
> 
> I'm not accusing the original poster of anything
> untoward, but I'm
> increasingly irritated by the desire to keep music
> the domain of a secret
> and exclusive club. The more people who hear the new
> Killing Joke album, the
> more people might be swayed into attending gigs /
> buying the single / album,
> and I believe that can only benefit the band, and
> ultimately us as
> enthusiasts. I'll reiterate that anyone who
> downloads the album without
> having any intention of buying it wouldn't have
> bought it in the first
> place, and is therefore no revenue loss, despite
> what that be-shorted amoeba
> Lars said. Once the album is released, it'll be on
> all the networks straight
> away.
> 
> A result of record company paranoia about the issue
> has resulted in a range
> of more attractive packages being made available to
> buy, with better
> packaging, free DVDs and other incentives. Apart
> from the occasional
> tendency to reissue an album after a few months with
> enormously enhanced
> value (Bloc Party), necessitating a second purchase,
> this is surely not only
> a good thing, but seems to invalidate the
> long-standing argument that record
> companies are only just breaking even on record
> sales. If they can afford to
> produce these deluxe packages for the same price as
> a single CD, we as
> consumers are surely getting better value for money.
> And don't get me
> started on the "value" of spending the same amount
> on a song as a ringtone
> as on a CD single.
> 
> And my favourite track on the album (the best KJ
> have produced in several
> years, in my view) is Judas Goat, by a considerable
> margin. Can't wait to
> see it played live (and, incidentally, to hear the
> final mix on the retail
> CD, and whatever limited edition permutations we are
> treated to).
> 
> Darren>
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