[kj] R.I.P. James Brown

[Alexander Smith]

Someone dares to disagree with you and you accuse them of being  
closed-minded. That's a bit rich. C'mon, Mik -- be a bit thicker  
skinned, please.

Alex in NYC


On Dec 26, 2006, at 8:16 PM, Mik Raven wrote:


> Hmm. This list is not what it was. Even reasonable people I used to  

> like

> seem to have degenerated into something I no longer recognize.  

> Peter is the

> only one here who seems to talk sense, even though most of it is  

> just there

> to wind you all up. Have nice lives people. I'm off to find out how to

> unsubscribe from this shit. Your open minds have become very  

> closed. Reminds

> me very much of Mr Coleman.

>

> Mik

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering- 

> bounces at misera.net] On

> Behalf Of BS Crack

> Sent: 26 December 2006 17:48

> To: vassifer at earthlink.net; gathering at misera.net

> Cc: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] R.I.P. James Brown

>

>

> I personally dislike all the outlandish claims people make after  

> someone

> died. Claims that bear no resemblance to reality, for example:

> "but the man's influence extends far and wide beyond simply funk  

> and hip hop

> (neither of which would've existed without his contributions)"

> Alex: Do you really believe that had James Brown not entered the music

> business then funk and hip hop would never have been invented?  

> James Brown

> had predecessors who influenced him , music is an evolving form and  

> numerous

> people have contributed to musics evolution. To say that One man is  

> solely

> responsible for not one, but two genres of music is a huge  

> exaggeration.

> If James Brown hadnt have been born, then music today would still  

> be exactly

> the same as it is now.

> He was just as famous for his dance steps than he was for the music  

> he made.

> Can anyone sing ten James Brown songs?...........five?.........well  

> apart

> from his two famous songs, can anyone sing or hum any of his other  

> tunes?

> Because I certainly cant.

>

> "James Brown practically *INVENTED* stage presence"

> So you are saying that before James Brown there was nt anybody who  

> had any

> "stage presence"? I cant disagree because I dont know .

>

> "And judging James Brown via his cameos in "The Blues Brothers" or  

> "Rocky

> IV" or whatever is like judging Killing Joke solely by OUTSIDE THE  

> GATE."

>

> Well no. James Browns contribution to the Rocky film gave him his  

> only UK

> Number 1.

>

>

>

>

>

> --- vassifer at earthlink.net wrote:

>

> From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> <gathering at misera.net>, "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the  

> band!)'"

> <gathering at misera.net>

> Subject: Re: [kj] R.I.P. James Brown

> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 12:16:31 -0500 (EST)

>

>

> "The only music he influenced was crap..."

>

> Sorry, Mik, but this is just a patently ridiculous statement.  

> Again, I'm not

> saying you have to like James Brown, but the man's influence  

> extends far and

> wide beyond simply funk and hip hop (neither of which would've existed

> without his contributions). James Brown practically *INVENTED* stage

> presence -- Iggy Pop, Robert Plant, Ian McCulloch, Jaz Coleman, Joe  

> Stummer

> -- none of them can top, let alone touch what James Brown was. He  

> was as

> crucial a performer/innovator/artist as anyone you can name.

>

> This just reminds me of the Beatles conversation we had a couple of  

> weeks

> ago. I know it seems like a really, punky, iconoclastic thing to  

> say that

> you don't like James Brown (who was inarguably "punker" than any  

> band you

> can name -- listen to "Say It Loud, I"m Black & I"m Proud" and  

> consider the

> context of the times), but to not recognize his influence and  

> contribution

> just makes you seem a bit narrow, misinformed and, frankly, dim.

>

> And judging James Brown via his cameos in "The Blues Brothers" or  

> "Rocky IV"

> or whatever is like judging Killing Joke solely by OUTSIDE THE GATE.

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

>

>

> and he was just a criminal who some people thought

>>> could sing.

>

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Mik Raven <mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk>

>> Sent: Dec 26, 2006 11:55 AM

>> To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'"

> <gathering at misera.net>

>> Subject: Re: [kj] R.I.P. James Brown

>>

>> No I can't hear anything I like whatsoever in his music. Does that  

>> make me

>> myopic? Guess I'll go find my reading glasses then! :-) Actually,  

>> never

> been

>> a big fan of change either. IMHO not one of the Joke's better  

>> ditties.

>>

>> Mik

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering- 

>> bounces at misera.net] On

>> Behalf Of Stephen Robinson

>> Sent: 26 December 2006 10:39

>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (t

>> Subject: Re: [kj] R.I.P. James Brown

>>

>> You can't hear the power, excitment and simple funk power in his  

>> beats?

>>

>> If the only music he influenced was crap, do that mean you think  

>> Change was

>> crap?

>>

>>> James Brown was shit but the Blues Brothers was quite an  

>>> entertaining

>>> film. I will not shed a tear for James Brown but dread the endless

>>> tributes that are bound to follow his death. The only music he

>>> influenced was crap and he was just a criminal who some people  

>>> thought

>>> could sing.

>>>

>>> Mik

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