[kj] R.I.P. James Brown

[Alex Smith]

Peter -- you know I like you --- but you're an idiot.

Alex in NYC



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>From: BS Crack <BSCrack at UltimateEmail.com>

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>Subject: Re: [kj] R.I.P. James Brown

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>The origins of Rap, Funk and hip hop can be traced back to the 1400's in Africa . Musical styles constantly evolve . J.B was around at the time when Funk came onto being, although he himself credits Little Richard as being the first person to play funk in the 50's.

>Music would have been exactly the same if JB hadnt been born . Its a bit like saying that without Joe Strummer, punk would never have existed .

>James brown was influential. If it wasnt for James brown, do you think that Snopp Doggy Dog would now be working in McDonalds? Ice Cube would be a Taxi driver?

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>--- vassifer at earthlink.net wrote:

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>From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

>To: BSCrack at UltimateEmail.com, "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>, gathering at misera.net

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>Subject: Re: [kj] R.I.P. James Brown

>Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 13:43:49 -0500 (EST)

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>"Alex: Do you really believe that had James Brown not entered the music business then funk and hip hop would never have been invented?"

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>Yes. Fully. Do your homework.

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>Alex in NYC

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>>From: BS Crack <BSCrack at UltimateEmail.com>

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>>Subject: Re: [kj] R.I.P. James Brown

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>>I personally dislike all the outlandish claims people make after someone died. Claims that bear no resemblance to reality, for example:

>>"but the man's influence extends far and wide beyond simply funk and hip hop (neither of which would've existed without his contributions)"

>>Alex: Do you really believe that had James Brown not entered the music business then funk and hip hop would never have been invented? James Brown had predecessors who influenced him , music is an evolving form and numerous people have contributed to musics evolution. To say that One man is solely responsible for not one, but two genres of music is a huge exaggeration.

>>If James Brown hadnt have been born, then music today would still be exactly the same as it is now. 

>>He was just as famous for his dance steps than he was for the music he made. Can anyone sing ten James Brown songs?...........five?.........well apart from his two famous songs, can anyone sing or hum any of his other tunes? Because I certainly cant.

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>>"James Brown practically *INVENTED* stage presence" 

>>So you are saying that before James Brown there was nt anybody who had any "stage presence"? I cant disagree because I dont know .

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>>"And judging James Brown via his cameos in "The Blues Brothers" or "Rocky IV" or whatever is like judging Killing Joke solely by OUTSIDE THE GATE."

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>>Well no. James Browns contribution to the Rocky film gave him his only UK Number 1.

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>>From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>, "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" <gathering at misera.net>

>>Subject: Re: [kj] R.I.P. James Brown

>>Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 12:16:31 -0500 (EST)

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>>"The only music he influenced was crap..."

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>>Sorry, Mik, but this is just a patently ridiculous statement. Again, I'm not saying you have to like James Brown, but the man's influence extends far and wide beyond simply funk and hip hop (neither of which would've existed without his contributions). James Brown practically *INVENTED* stage presence -- Iggy Pop, Robert Plant, Ian McCulloch, Jaz Coleman, Joe Stummer -- none of them can top, let alone touch what James Brown was. He was as crucial a performer/innovator/artist as anyone you can name. 

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>>This just reminds me of the Beatles conversation we had a couple of weeks ago. I know it seems like a really, punky, iconoclastic thing to say that you don't like James Brown (who was inarguably "punker" than any band you can name -- listen to "Say It Loud, I"m Black & I"m Proud" and consider the context of the times), but to not recognize his influence and contribution just makes you seem a bit narrow, misinformed and, frankly, dim.

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>>And judging James Brown via his cameos in "The Blues Brothers" or "Rocky IV" or whatever is like judging Killing Joke solely by OUTSIDE THE GATE.

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>>Alex in NYC

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>>and he was just a criminal who some people thought

>>>> could sing.

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>>-----Original Message-----

>>>From: Mik Raven <mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk>

>>>Sent: Dec 26, 2006 11:55 AM

>>>To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" <gathering at misera.net>

>>>Subject: Re: [kj] R.I.P. James Brown

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>>>No I can't hear anything I like whatsoever in his music. Does that make me

>>>myopic? Guess I'll go find my reading glasses then! :-) Actually, never been

>>>a big fan of change either. IMHO not one of the Joke's better ditties.

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>>>Mik

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>>>You can't hear the power, excitment and simple funk power in his beats? 

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>>>If the only music he influenced was crap, do that mean you think Change was

>>>crap?

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>>>> James Brown was shit but the Blues Brothers was quite an entertaining

>>>> film. I will not shed a tear for James Brown but dread the endless

>>>> tributes that are bound to follow his death. The only music he

>>>> influenced was crap and he was just a criminal who some people thought

>>>> could sing.

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>>>> Mik

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