[kj] OT: Beatle Appreciation ad nauseum

[Crack]

"then you probably don't enjoy rock'n'roll"

   I hate the term rock'n'roll. It emanates from the 1950's and should  
stay there. Rock'n'roll is such a loose term for any kind of noisey   
music , its so vague .
   And the worst Beatles song has got to be "Roll over Beethoven" .




Quoting Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>:


>

> As long as I'm throwing caution to the four winds -- count me among   

> the Beatle fans. Here's a post I wrote on my stupid blog   

> (http://vassifer.blogs.com) a few months ago addressing the very   

> topic:

>

> Inspired by the cover story in the latest issue of endearingly   

> rockist Brit music mag, Mojo (which I picked up not least for its   

> interview with Lemmy, but also a completely ass-whuppin' feature on   

> Killing Joke), I dialed up a scrambled selection of Beatles `choons   

> for my walk to work on Friday morning. Now, granted,the world needs   

> another cover story about the Beatles like it needs another cover   

> story about Britney Spears' shoddy parenting, but at least Mojo   

> provided an interesting take. Along with an in-depth examination of   

> the band circa their hotly-debated best album, Revolver, the issue   

> features a wide array of musicians opining on their favorite Beatles  

>  tracks, and some of the answers are surprising and insightful, or  

> at  least enough to have made me want to listen to the Fabs again.

>

>

> While it may be a hip, punky, iconoclastic thing to allign oneself  

> with, I've never been a member of the "I Hate the Beatles"  

> contingent. Sure, there are precious few demographics more worthy of  

> strenuous ridicule than obsessive Beatles fans (apart from maybe  

> Trekkies and/or people who insist on repeating dialogue from Monty  

> Python at parties), but as far as I'm concerned, if you don�t enjoy  

> the Beatles, then you probably don't enjoy rock'n'roll. I can  

> sympathize with someone feeling maybe hype-fatigue over them, but  

> honestly, if you can't find something to appreciate in the band's  

> vast catalog, then you should probably hock your stereo and take up  

> macram� or bass fishing or quantity-surveying. Or heroin.

>

> So even though Jaz Coleman of Killing Joke claims to hate the   

> Beatles and Glen Matlock was purportedly booted from the Sex Pistols  

>  for liking them, I still stand in reasonably respectable company in  

>  declaring my fandom for them (Siouxsie Sioux, Ozzy Osbourne and   

> Lemmy all count themselves as fans). In terms of narrowing it down   

> to a single Beatles tune, I don't think I could do it. Certainly   

> there are loads that could be permanently retired (does anyone   

> really need to hear "Hey Jude" or"All You Need is Love" ever   

> again?), but then I was always a fan of their darker stuff like "Run  

>  For Your Life" (a bitter death threat dressed up as a jauntily   

> harmony-laden pop tune) and, of course, "Helter Skelter" -- the   

> somewhat obvious go-to track whenever someone laments the saccharine  

>  tweeness of Paul McCartney. That this screamy, proto-punk guitar   

> blitzkrieg which inspired a gang of murderous faux-hippies to carve   

> up a gaggle of unsuspecting Californians was penned and performed by  

>  the

>  same man who wrote "Martha My Dear" (let alone that both tracks   

> appear on the same album) continues to amaze me. And for all their   

> peerless musical chops, knack for instantly affecting melody and   

> effortless gift for lyrics, the Beatles managed to sound weird,   

> trippy, sinister, scary and even evil in ways that their   

> contemporaries in the Rolling Stones could never touch. For all of   

> the Satanic bluster in much of the Stones' work, there isn't a   

> single song in their catalog that can give me the unsettling creeps   

> like "Only a Northern Song," "Cry, Baby, Cry," "Long, Long, Long,"   

> "Revolution #9," "A Day in the Life" and that discordant flute   

> freakout at the end of "Strawberry Fields" still can. That's what   

> defines them for me. There is just something so timelessly familiar   

> yet so indefinably other about much of the Beatles' music, that they  

>  simply are without peers.

>

> That all said, in no discernible order, herewith Alex in NYC's....

> Top Ten Favorite Beatles Songs:

> 1. "I Am the Walrus"

> 2. "Hey Bulldog"

> 3. "I'm Down"

> 4. "She's Leaving Home"

> 5. "You Know My Name, Look Up the Number"

> 6. "I'm Only Sleeping"

> 7. "Martha My Dear"

> 8. "And I Love Her"

> 9. "You Won't See Me"

> 10. "Tomorrow Never Knows"

>

> oh fuck it...

>

> 11. "I Want You (She's So Heavy)"

> 12. "Everybody's Got Something To Hide (`cept For Me and My Monkey)"

>

>

>

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Leigh Newton <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com>

>> Sent: Dec 11, 2006 1:31 PM

>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"   

>> <gathering at misera.net>

>> Subject: Re: [kj] Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>

>> Beatles were great. Some amazing songs. Some sucky. Lots of   

>> mediocre. Revolver and Rubber Soul are both wicked. Sgt. Peppers is  

>>  crap. Totally overrated. Piper at the Gates of Dawn usurps it in   

>> every way.

>>

>> Leigh

>>

>>

>> ----- Original Message ----

>> From: Robert Mallett <robert at jrcardwell.fsnet.co.uk>

>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

>> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 12:13:27 PM

>> Subject: Re: [kj] Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>

>>

>> Hooray!!

>>

>> Come on vote - people died for the right

>>

>>

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: "Daniel Corvo" <danielcorvo at hotmail.co.uk>

>> To: <gathering at misera.net>

>> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 4:47 PM

>> Subject: Re: [kj] Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>

>>

>>> Here's my vote= shite

>>>

>>>

>>>> From: "Robert Mallett" <robert at jrcardwell.fsnet.co.uk>

>>>> Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>>>> band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

>>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>>> <gathering at misera.net>

>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>>> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:22:35 -0000

>>>>

>>>> why the hell are you sorry for me? the Beatles were shite. take a vote in

>>>> here and see for yourself. prefab 4 is a fekkin understatement, not to

>>>> mention wife beating dickheads. get real girl, for fekk's sake

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>>> From: "Lennonka" <svoje.ja at centrum.cz>

>>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>>> <gathering at misera.net>

>>>> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 3:11 PM

>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> > I'm so sorry for you.

>>>> > But I'm very grateful for your explanation.

>>>> > Have a good day.

>>>> >

>>>> > Lennonka

>>>> > ______________________________________________________________

>>>> >> Od: robert at jrcardwell.fsnet.co.uk

>>>> >> Komu: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>>> >> <gathering at misera.net>

>>>> >> Datum: 11.12.2006 15:43

>>>> >> P�edm�t: Re: [kj] Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>>> >>

>>>> >>OK

>>>> >>

>>>> >>in blunt language - I can imagine Coleman thought Lennon was a

>>>> > pretentious

>>>> >>tosser who's 'songs' had no bearing on reality. Driving around in

>>>> flowery

>>>> >

>>>> >>Rolls Royce's is hardly a sign of being tuned in. And I have to say I

>>>> > would

>>>> >>agree because I think it's very healthy to absolutely hate the Beatles.

>>>> >>

>>>> >>Bob

>>>> >>----- Original Message -----

>>>> >>From: "Lennonka" <svoje.ja at centrum.cz>

>>>> >>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>>> >><gathering at misera.net>

>>>> >>Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 1:56 PM

>>>> >>Subject: Re: [kj] Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>>> >>

>>>> >>

>>>> >>> Ehm... ?

>>>> >>> I'm probably not getting this.

>>>> >>> But I will ask his majesty for explanation one day.

>>>> >>> Thanks for inspiration.

>>>> >>>

>>>> >>> Have good time!

>>>> >>> Lennonka

>>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________

>>>> >>>> Od: robert at jrcardwell.fsnet.co.uk

>>>> >>>> Komu: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>>> >>>> <gathering at misera.net>

>>>> >>>> Datum: 11.12.2006 14:47

>>>> >>>> P�edm�t: Re: [kj] Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>>> >>>>

>>>> >>>>Lennonika

>>>> >>>>

>>>> >>>>I think what the guys are trying to say is that it's very hard to

>>>> >>> reconcile

>>>> >>>>Lennon's millionaire hippy status, and the radio friendly platitudes

>>>> he

>>>> >>>>produced with the edgy, fury driven sound of the Joke. The music, the

>>>> >>>>lyrics, the way of life of the Joke simply don't work alongside stuff

>>>> >>> like

>>>> >>>>that. If you don't believe me, ask Coleman, I'm sure he'd have plenty

>>>> > to

>>>> >>>>say.

>>>> >>>>

>>>> >>>>Bob

>>>> >>>>----- Original Message -----

>>>> >>>>From: "Lennonka" <svoje.ja at centrum.cz>

>>>> >>>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>>> >>>><gathering at misera.net>

>>>> >>>>Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 1:28 PM

>>>> >>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>>> >>>>

>>>> >>>>

>>>> >>>>> Look at your own limits, sins and errors, you poor thing! ; D

>>>> >>>>>

>>>> >>>>> With best wishes

>>>> >>>>> Lennonka

>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________

>>>> >>>>>> Od: b.s.crack at generalmail.de

>>>> >>>>>> Komu: gathering at misera.net

>>>> >>>>>> Datum: 09.12.2006 11:21

>>>> >>>>>> P�edm�t: [kj]  Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>>> >>>>>>

>>>> >>>>>>Lennons solo music was even worse . His last few albums before he

>>>> >>>>>>dies were dire , getting shot was a great career move for him . He

>>>> > was

>>>> >>>>>>heading into oblivion .

>>>> >>>>>>   I always felt that he was one dimensional , his spheres of

>>>> >>>>>> topics

>>>> >>>>>>were very limited . He could write a song about a Religion, about

>>>> his

>>>> >>>>>>women, about his Baby and about his Mum and that's about it . Do

>>>> >>>>>>you

>>>> >>>>>>see a patten emerging? He could only write songs about things that

>>>> >>>>>>directly affected him, so his song topics were extremely limited .

>>>> >>>>>>There were no depth to his songs , NOT in the same e ;league as a

>>>> Bob

>>>> >>>>>>Dylan or Lenard Cohen, who could write songs about a variety of

>>>> >>>>>>different subjects .

>>>> >>>>>>   If Lennon would have survived, his next album would have been

>>>> >>>>>> all

>>>> >>>>>>about the unpleasantness of getting shop, such was his limits of

>>>> >>>>>>his

>>>> >>>>>>spheres of projectory

>>>> >>>>>>

>>>> >>>>>>

>>>> >>>>>>

>>>> >>>>>>

>>>> >>>>>>From: "folk devil" <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>

>>>> >>>>>>> Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>>>> >>>>>>> band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

>>>> >>>>>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>>> >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 12:10:18 -0800

>>>> >>>>>>>

>>>> >>>>>>> and Lennon's solo music is the same?

>>>> >>>>>>

>>>> >>>>>>

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