[kj] ****SPAM**** OT: Beatle Appreciation ad nauseum

[Robert Mallett]

I, on the contrary, find them very very easy to ignore, because they just 
fill me with indifference. talentless twats always do. no offence Rob mate, 
but I just can't see the appeal.

Bob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Horan" <Rob at westwoodassociates.co.uk>
To: "Alex Smith" <vassifer at earthlink.net>; "A list about all things Killing 
Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] ****SPAM**** OT: Beatle Appreciation ad nauseum



> Alex,

> I couldn't agree more, really well written...this Mojo issue was a

> riveting read (not least because of the great Joke article and the

> awesome picture of Jaz) and the fact that so many musicians rate The

> Beatles as an influence got me back into them. Granted, their popularity

> is completely overboard (hence the vehement opinions on this list) and

> Mojo does them way too frequently but I find them impossible to ignore.

>

> Rob

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> On Behalf Of Alex Smith

> Sent: 11 December 2006 18:59

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!); A list about all

> things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: ****SPAM**** [kj] OT: Beatle Appreciation ad nauseum

>

>

> As long as I'm throwing caution to the four winds -- count me among the

> Beatle fans. Here's a post I wrote on my stupid blog

> (http://vassifer.blogs.com) a few months ago addressing the very topic:

>

> Inspired by the cover story in the latest issue of endearingly rockist

> Brit music mag, Mojo (which I picked up not least for its interview with

> Lemmy, but also a completely ass-whuppin' feature on Killing Joke), I

> dialed up a scrambled selection of Beatles `choons for my walk to work

> on Friday morning. Now, granted,the world needs another cover story

> about the Beatles like it needs another cover story about Britney

> Spears' shoddy parenting, but at least Mojo provided an interesting

> take. Along with an in-depth examination of the band circa their

> hotly-debated best album, Revolver, the issue features a wide array of

> musicians opining on their favorite Beatles tracks, and some of the

> answers are surprising and insightful, or at least enough to have made

> me want to listen to the Fabs again.

>

>

> While it may be a hip, punky, iconoclastic thing to allign oneself with,

> I've never been a member of the "I Hate the Beatles" contingent. Sure,

> there are precious few demographics more worthy of strenuous ridicule

> than obsessive Beatles fans (apart from maybe Trekkies and/or people who

> insist on repeating dialogue from Monty Python at parties), but as far

> as I'm concerned, if you dont enjoy the Beatles, then you probably don't

> enjoy rock'n'roll. I can sympathize with someone feeling maybe

> hype-fatigue over them, but honestly, if you can't find something to

> appreciate in the band's vast catalog, then you should probably hock

> your stereo and take up macram or bass fishing or quantity-surveying. Or

> heroin.

>

> So even though Jaz Coleman of Killing Joke claims to hate the Beatles

> and Glen Matlock was purportedly booted from the Sex Pistols for liking

> them, I still stand in reasonably respectable company in declaring my

> fandom for them (Siouxsie Sioux, Ozzy Osbourne and Lemmy all count

> themselves as fans). In terms of narrowing it down to a single Beatles

> tune, I don't think I could do it. Certainly there are loads that could

> be permanently retired (does anyone really need to hear "Hey Jude"

> or"All You Need is Love" ever again?), but then I was always a fan of

> their darker stuff like "Run For Your Life" (a bitter death threat

> dressed up as a jauntily harmony-laden pop tune) and, of course, "Helter

> Skelter" -- the somewhat obvious go-to track whenever someone laments

> the saccharine tweeness of Paul McCartney. That this screamy, proto-punk

> guitar blitzkrieg which inspired a gang of murderous faux-hippies to

> carve up a gaggle of unsuspecting Californians was penned and performed

> by the

> same man who wrote "Martha My Dear" (let alone that both tracks appear

> on the same album) continues to amaze me. And for all their peerless

> musical chops, knack for instantly affecting melody and effortless gift

> for lyrics, the Beatles managed to sound weird, trippy, sinister, scary

> and even evil in ways that their contemporaries in the Rolling Stones

> could never touch. For all of the Satanic bluster in much of the Stones'

> work, there isn't a single song in their catalog that can give me the

> unsettling creeps like "Only a Northern Song," "Cry, Baby, Cry," "Long,

> Long, Long," "Revolution #9," "A Day in the Life" and that discordant

> flute freakout at the end of "Strawberry Fields" still can. That's what

> defines them for me. There is just something so timelessly familiar yet

> so indefinably other about much of the Beatles' music, that they simply

> are without peers.

>

> That all said, in no discernible order, herewith Alex in NYC's....

> Top Ten Favorite Beatles Songs:

> 1. "I Am the Walrus"

> 2. "Hey Bulldog"

> 3. "I'm Down"

> 4. "She's Leaving Home"

> 5. "You Know My Name, Look Up the Number"

> 6. "I'm Only Sleeping"

> 7. "Martha My Dear"

> 8. "And I Love Her"

> 9. "You Won't See Me"

> 10. "Tomorrow Never Knows"

>

> oh fuck it...

>

> 11. "I Want You (She's So Heavy)"

> 12. "Everybody's Got Something To Hide (`cept For Me and My Monkey)"

>

>

>

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

>>From: Leigh Newton <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com>

>>Sent: Dec 11, 2006 1:31 PM

>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> <gathering at misera.net>

>>Subject: Re: [kj] Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>

>>Beatles were great. Some amazing songs. Some sucky. Lots of mediocre.

> Revolver and Rubber Soul are both wicked. Sgt. Peppers is crap. Totally

> overrated. Piper at the Gates of Dawn usurps it in every way.

>>

>>Leigh

>>

>>

>>----- Original Message ----

>>From: Robert Mallett <robert at jrcardwell.fsnet.co.uk>

>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> <gathering at misera.net>

>>Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 12:13:27 PM

>>Subject: Re: [kj] Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>

>>

>>Hooray!!

>>

>>Come on vote - people died for the right

>>

>>

>>----- Original Message ----- 

>>From: "Daniel Corvo" <danielcorvo at hotmail.co.uk>

>>To: <gathering at misera.net>

>>Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 4:47 PM

>>Subject: Re: [kj] Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>

>>

>>> Here's my vote= shite

>>>

>>>

>>>>From: "Robert Mallett" <robert at jrcardwell.fsnet.co.uk>

>>>>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>>>>band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

>>>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>>><gathering at misera.net>

>>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>>>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:22:35 -0000

>>>>

>>>>why the hell are you sorry for me? the Beatles were shite. take a

> vote in

>>>>here and see for yourself. prefab 4 is a fekkin understatement, not

> to

>>>>mention wife beating dickheads. get real girl, for fekk's sake

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>----- Original Message -----

>>>>From: "Lennonka" <svoje.ja at centrum.cz>

>>>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>>><gathering at misera.net>

>>>>Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 3:11 PM

>>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> > I'm so sorry for you.

>>>> > But I'm very grateful for your explanation.

>>>> > Have a good day.

>>>> >

>>>> > Lennonka

>>>> > ______________________________________________________________

>>>> >> Od: robert at jrcardwell.fsnet.co.uk

>>>> >> Komu: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>>> >> <gathering at misera.net>

>>>> >> Datum: 11.12.2006 15:43

>>>> >> Pedmt: Re: [kj] Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>>> >>

>>>> >>OK

>>>> >>

>>>> >>in blunt language - I can imagine Coleman thought Lennon was a

>>>> > pretentious

>>>> >>tosser who's 'songs' had no bearing on reality. Driving around in

>>>>flowery

>>>> >

>>>> >>Rolls Royce's is hardly a sign of being tuned in. And I have to

> say I

>>>> > would

>>>> >>agree because I think it's very healthy to absolutely hate the

> Beatles.

>>>> >>

>>>> >>Bob

>>>> >>----- Original Message -----

>>>> >>From: "Lennonka" <svoje.ja at centrum.cz>

>>>> >>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>>> >><gathering at misera.net>

>>>> >>Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 1:56 PM

>>>> >>Subject: Re: [kj] Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>>> >>

>>>> >>

>>>> >>> Ehm... ?

>>>> >>> I'm probably not getting this.

>>>> >>> But I will ask his majesty for explanation one day.

>>>> >>> Thanks for inspiration.

>>>> >>>

>>>> >>> Have good time!

>>>> >>> Lennonka

>>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________

>>>> >>>> Od: robert at jrcardwell.fsnet.co.uk

>>>> >>>> Komu: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>>> >>>> <gathering at misera.net>

>>>> >>>> Datum: 11.12.2006 14:47

>>>> >>>> Pedmt: Re: [kj] Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>>> >>>>

>>>> >>>>Lennonika

>>>> >>>>

>>>> >>>>I think what the guys are trying to say is that it's very hard

> to

>>>> >>> reconcile

>>>> >>>>Lennon's millionaire hippy status, and the radio friendly

> platitudes

>>>>he

>>>> >>>>produced with the edgy, fury driven sound of the Joke. The

> music, the

>>>> >>>>lyrics, the way of life of the Joke simply don't work alongside

> stuff

>>>> >>> like

>>>> >>>>that. If you don't believe me, ask Coleman, I'm sure he'd have

> plenty

>>>> > to

>>>> >>>>say.

>>>> >>>>

>>>> >>>>Bob

>>>> >>>>----- Original Message -----

>>>> >>>>From: "Lennonka" <svoje.ja at centrum.cz>

>>>> >>>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>>> >>>><gathering at misera.net>

>>>> >>>>Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 1:28 PM

>>>> >>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>>> >>>>

>>>> >>>>

>>>> >>>>> Look at your own limits, sins and errors, you poor thing! ; D

>>>> >>>>>

>>>> >>>>> With best wishes

>>>> >>>>> Lennonka

>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________

>>>> >>>>>> Od: b.s.crack at generalmail.de

>>>> >>>>>> Komu: gathering at misera.net

>>>> >>>>>> Datum: 09.12.2006 11:21

>>>> >>>>>> Pedmt: [kj]  Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>>> >>>>>>

>>>> >>>>>>Lennons solo music was even worse . His last few albums before

> he

>>>> >>>>>>dies were dire , getting shot was a great career move for him

> . He

>>>> > was

>>>> >>>>>>heading into oblivion .

>>>> >>>>>>   I always felt that he was one dimensional , his spheres of

>>>> >>>>>> topics

>>>> >>>>>>were very limited . He could write a song about a Religion,

> about

>>>>his

>>>> >>>>>>women, about his Baby and about his Mum and that's about it .

> Do

>>>> >>>>>>you

>>>> >>>>>>see a patten emerging? He could only write songs about things

> that

>>>> >>>>>>directly affected him, so his song topics were extremely

> limited .

>>>> >>>>>>There were no depth to his songs , NOT in the same e ;league

> as a

>>>>Bob

>>>> >>>>>>Dylan or Lenard Cohen, who could write songs about a variety

> of

>>>> >>>>>>different subjects .

>>>> >>>>>>   If Lennon would have survived, his next album would have

> been

>>>> >>>>>> all

>>>> >>>>>>about the unpleasantness of getting shop, such was his limits

> of

>>>> >>>>>>his

>>>> >>>>>>spheres of projectory

>>>> >>>>>>

>>>> >>>>>>

>>>> >>>>>>

>>>> >>>>>>

>>>> >>>>>>From: "folk devil" <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>

>>>> >>>>>>> Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>>>> >>>>>>> band!)"<gathering at misera.net>

>>>> >>>>>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Pleasure/Pain , One Word.............

>>>> >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 12:10:18 -0800

>>>> >>>>>>>

>>>> >>>>>>> and Lennon's solo music is the same?

>>>> >>>>>>

>>>> >>>>>>

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