[kj] Tribal Freedom

[Leigh Newton]

Korn? Christina Aguliria? Have you been frozen in ice since 1999 or something? Hosannas is a horrible album by a once great band. Every band starts to suck eventually. Unless they call it quits first. It's hard to come to terms with the eventual suckitude but, darnitall, it's the right thing to do. 

----- Original Message ----
From: B. Oliver Sheppard <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2006 10:29:03 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] Tribal Freedom


You mean to like Korn or like Christina Aguilera standards?

Hosannas was great. One of the Top 10 LPs of 2006, in any event.

-Oliver


Alexander Smith wrote:

> Raise your standards.

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

> On Dec 5, 2006, at 7:44 PM, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:

>

>   

>> I personally love Hosannas to death. I saw the electronic press kit

>> where they were bragging about the relatively lo-tech way it was

>> recorded compared to a lot of bands these days (I guess nu-metal type

>> bands). But since my primary love is raw, crusty DIY hardcore punk  

>> type

>> stuff like Tragedy or Born Dead Icons or World Burns to Death, I  

>> thought

>> Hosannas sounded spectacular. It's definitely a few levels above low

>> budget punk type recordings (in fact quit, a bit so quite the  

>> symphonic

>> components, etc.) and it seems like Jaz is really exploring the

>> Lemmy/Motorhead side of his vocalizations more, which is all the  

>> better

>> for me. I like it when Killing Joke are harsh, caustic, thrashy, and

>> raw, personally.

>>

>> However, I do think "Total Invasion" and "Seeing Red" from 2003 are  

>> two

>> of the finest songs KJ have probably ever made, however they did it.

>> That is just instant classic stuff.

>>

>> -Oliver

>>

>>

>>

>> Mark Kolmar wrote:

>>     

>>> On 12/1/06, Darth E. Vader <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>>>

>>>       

>>>> I think the idea that overdubbing guitars was somehow

>>>> dishonest is the porblem with Hosanannas, as opposed

>>>> to all those carping about Jaz' vocals.

>>>>

>>>> The sound of the 2003 album is better because the

>>>> guitars sound more powerful.

>>>>

>>>>         

>>> The production on _Hosannas_ is raw in a way that detracts slightly

>>> from the whole effect, as it sounds large but oddly distant.  I  

>>> try to

>>> picture how the recording was set up to capture that sound, or if it

>>> was done in the mix.  Someone said it sounds like they smeared plate

>>> reverb all over it.  Doesn't sound like a plausible room ambience

>>> (_Fire Dances_ maybe), or a weird space of dubby alienation (like on

>>> _WTF_).  I would rather hear a raw sound that's more close-up.  Maybe

>>> mics on each amp, over the drums and in the room, plus vox of course,

>>> to get a mix of direct signal and live room.  A bit like they record

>>> orchestras.

>>>

>>> Also the KJ productions from 1994-2003 all sounded a bit hi-tech,

>>> which is a contrast that can be a bit jarring.

>>>

>>> --Mark

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>       

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