[kj] UK / Europe - Lords of the New Church - Bootlegs Question(noKJ content

Thu Apr 27 07:53:58 EDT 2006

I remember The Flys. They played at my university, which indicates their lack of status at the time (my university was attending by roughly 1500 people, and the capacity for the venue was about 250). I refused to play their single at my club nights. I gave the album a bad review in the Students Union magazine too. I'd forgotten how much I hated The Flys.

  Jim.

Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

Wow -- that was quite exhaustive! Cheers, TB!

I never managed to see the Lords live, but I did see two or three of 
the Dead Boys' annual X-mas reunion shows at the Ritz (prior to 
Stiv's death, obviously). I've met Brian James once or twice (I 
believe he's friends with Raven) and I had some fleeting dealings 
with Nicky Turner. Some time in the mid-90's, when I was doing more 
writing for shitty two-bit rock mags, he'd become some sort've 
record exec at IRS, and was managing an IRS subset called Bachoven, 
which was specifically set up to promote a new Miles/Turner discovery 
called MOZART, who were an operatic metal band ala Queen (they even 
managed to rope in Roy Thomas Baker to produce). Evidently there was 
this huge hype and bidding war surrounding the band, but at the time 
-- the veritable crux of Grunge -- the public couldn't possibly have 
been less interested. I saw Mozart perform at the Limelight with much 
fanfare and promotion, but nothing came of them. A year or two later, 
I was in a shitty bar in Costa Mesa, CA with some friends and a band 
called "The Flys" came onstage -- it was actually Mozart (with 
brand new "grunge" haircuts and clothes and a brand new "alt.rock" 
name). It was somewhat pathetic.

As they Flys, they had a successful single about a year or two after 
that, albeit it had nothing to do with Bachoven, Nicky Turner or IRS 
at that point.

I completely remember that Lords wheelchair bootleg. I'd always 
assumed it was Stiv just being tastlelss (as was his forte).

Alex in NYC

On Apr 26, 2006, at 5:27 PM, TB wrote:

> "Christof hamille" wrote:
>
>
>> Lords of the New Church is still one of m favorite throwback 
>> bands. Listening to them right now on the iPod.
>
> The Lords were one of my all time favorite bands. I saw them 
> probably 20+ times from '82 through '87 and actually got to hang 
> out with them after many of their gigs at small local LA and Long 
> Beach clubs and bars between '85 - '86 when they lived in LA and 
> had been dropped from IRS Records. One of my coolest memories of 
> those times was hosting Stiv and one of the band's roadies / drug 
> dealers at my apartment watching "Apocalypse Now"after a show. My 
> best friend and I would always be right up front yelling at them 
> between songs to play "Worlds Without End" or "Dreams and Desires," 
> two obscure tracks which would almost always crack up drummer Nicky 
> Turner.
>
> Someone asked about Stiv being shot, I believe it happened in late 
> 1983 in San Diego during a show when someone shot him with a 
> shotgun full of buckshot which caught him in the chest and leg. 
> There's actually a bootleg record album with a photo from a show a 
> week or two later with Stiv performing from a wheelchair onstage:
>
> http://i14.ebayimg.com/05/i/06/c9/81/83_1.JPG
>
> To answer another question, about a year after Stiv broke up The 
> Lords (onstage!), he was walking on a sidewalk in Paris and was 
> accidentally hit by a speeding car. He refused an ambulance ride to 
> a hospital and went home to his wife's apartment were he died that 
> night in his sleep from internal bleeding in his brain. He was 
> cremated in Paris and his ashes were split between his wife and a 
> few close friends and the rest were scattered on the late Doors 
> singer, Jim Morrison's grave (Stiv was a huge Morrison fan).
>
>> With that said I cannot give the new attempt a chance. Call ti 
>> something else if you want. But to do it again and not have 
>> evryone else on board is bad enough. It jsut smelled of "we have 
>> nothing else we can do that will bring in any sort of £££ so why 
>> not".
>
> There is a pretty nasty back story as to why Brian and original 
> bassist Dave Tregunna even got back together under The Lord's 
> moniker in 2001.
>
> What happened is a Florida dj / fan named Steven Marque discovered 
> in 2000 the recording rights and copyright to the band name and 
> identity had somehow lapsed into the public domain. He copyrighter 
> the band name and identity for himself, somehow managed to get 
> ahold of Brian James and convince James to "reform" the band with a 
> new drummer, 2nd guitarist and himself as singer / songwriter. Dave 
> Tregunna had been a long time friend of James and they'd been 
> working together sporadically on an untitled project so Dave came 
> on board and basically was the person who kept the project organized.
>
> Everyone figured out very quickly that Steve Marque who had never 
> sung in a band or been on a stage couldn't do either. So the 2nd 
> guitarist who was a huge Stiv Bator fan basically sang all the 
> "classic" songs in the set while Marque sang 3 new songs that they 
> recorded in '01. Little to no interest was given to the lineup and 
> everyone who saw the shows was pretty unanimous in slamming Marque 
> on stage as being laughably awful. They did record 3 new songs that 
> were actually fairly good despite Marque's ham-fisted writing and 
> off-key singing style. Still, it did reek of cashing in on the 
> Lord's name.
>
> A good friend of mine Adam Becvare was trying to get his band "Lust 
> Killers" a support gig with the Lords on a short UK tour for '02 
> however the drummer and guitarist/singer quit the band so Brian 
> asked Adam to basically front the band and record an album with 
> them in early '02. Adam along with yet another new drummer joined, 
> did a chaotic tour of Europe and the UK's clubs, and managed to 
> record a full length album that remains unreleased to this day. 
> During this time, Marque was having pirated Lords shirts and other 
> apparel made and sold through his "Lords" website and eBay. Marque 
> also had his "vocals" if you can call them that (think Sesame 
> Street's "Cookie Monster" meets The Simpson's Krusty The Clown), 
> added to the new studio album after it was finished in an almost 
> karaoke fashion that ruined many of the actually decent songs.
>
>> They were supposedd to come Stateside. From what I heard though 
>> everything fell apart. Last I checked the site is gone. I just 
>> couldn't bring myself to support it. I love Brian James as a 
>> guitarist/songwriter. I think he is kind of scraping the bottom fo 
>> the barrel for survival.
>
> Yeah, after the UK tour in '02, there were plans to play stateside 
> but the band was already falling apart (Dave broke Marque's nose in 
> a fight during one of the first rehearsals) plus, one of the 
> members couldn't get a Visa to enter the US.
>
> By late '02 early '03, the rest of the band convinced Brian to cut 
> ties with Marque despite the fact he (and Dave) might get cut out 
> of any further Lord's royalties, significant because they managed 
> to re-release they 3 original 80's albums on Track Records in late 
> '02. However, several fans with ties to the entertainment legal 
> community have fought to return the rights of the band to it's 
> original members and because of the hassle as well as the cost, it 
> appears Steve Marque no longer can leech off the band's name. Brian 
> who hasn't been in the best mental or physical shape for years 
> anyway (picture Ozzy at his most incoherent but still able to wail 
> on guitar) recently finished a solo album with Dave as well as 
> Exene from the LA punk band "X" on vocals on some songs. Adam 
> joined the excellent rock n' roll band The Black Halos last year 
> and has been touring relentlessly with them ever since (right now 
> they're in France).
>
> While I have about a dozen Lords shows on video as well as a few on 
> audio along with stuff I've picked up from those in the band over 
> the years, I have nothing from the '02 - '03 tour. Even Adam 
> Becvare who was in the band has asked me for bootlegs of any show 
> he was involved with because the band didn't film anything themselves.
>
> BTW, here's a great Lords site for those interested:
>
> http://www.angelsinexile.i12.com/lords/html/index.htm
>
> I also moderate the Lords mailing list over on YahooGroups and 
> welcome anyone who wants to join.
>
> T.B.
>
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