[kj] atkins & budgie - a drummer's view

[Rob Horan]

<is
it necessarily always the drummer's fault in this sort of situation?>

 

True, not always I'm sure, but AR hardly seems a challenge (compared to, as you say, Spellbound) and Juju seems so much slicker produced than the previous 3 so it always stood out for me......SATB were never ironic so that's no excuse......surely songwriting's hard enough without poor execution.....you wouldn't see our dearly beloveds putting up with it ie. everything up to Democracy production is bloody thorough meaning that they're not the sort to say 'oh f*ck it that'll do' (except FOB which sounds 'cut live' in the studio and probably will never sound as good)

 

horbag 


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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net on behalf of god botherer
Sent: Sun 02/04/2006 12:23
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: RE: [kj] atkins & budgie - a drummer's view



Just interested in your view: with respect to the Arabian Nights tempo, is
it necessarily always the drummer's fault in this sort of situation? Perhaps
Severin is dictating the tempo in places? And in one passage he's joined by
McGeogh on choppy staccato rhythms. It can be a real battle to tie other
musicians to a strict tempo, especially if they're playing either slightly
ahead or slightly behind the beat.

Could be that they all heard what had happened but decided to stick with it.
It's sometimes OK for songs' tempos to fluctuate - like they're breathing.
Still doesn't make things right in this particular case.

With you on Nightshift. That gives the Joke a run for their money in
Hum/Termite Mound territory.

gb



>From: "Rob Horan" <Rob at westwoodassociates.co.uk>

>Yes, the tempo lets him down - how does a producer not pick that up, if so
>why not do it again? You're right about worst track although I still
>remember putting the vinyl on the first time and it stood
>out.........Nightshift is up there with their best....
>
>
>
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>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net on behalf of god botherer
>Sent: Fri 31/03/2006 22:00
>To: gathering at misera.net
>Subject: RE: [kj] atkins & budgie - a drummer's view
>
>
>
>Glad about the ears.
>
>Totally agree about Atkins, and, although I seem to be in a minority of
>one,
>watching him with The Damage Manual (inc Geordie & Wobble) in London was
>astounding. I loved that gig.
>
>Want to know what you mean about Arabian Nights. The tempo is rather
>irregular. Is that what you're referring to? Weakest track on the album
>anyway.
>
>gb
>
>
> >From: "Rob Horan" <Rob at westwoodassociates.co.uk>
> >
> >Spellbound - good choice, I can never listen to Arabian Nights without
> >wincing at his mistiming in the 2nd chorus....granted he's a good
> >drummer but Atkins was one of the most innovative of his genre 80s and
> >early 90s - a lot of Gatherers don't rate him on personality alone
> >(understandable) but his work on Extremities is mindblowingly clever,
> >MINOG, AOG and ITTM highlights (although could do better on
> >Slipstream).......
> >
> >Horbag - has two ears
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
> >On Behalf Of god botherer
> >Sent: 31 March 2006 11:59
> >To: gathering at misera.net
> >Subject: RE: [kj] atkins & budgie - a drummer's view
> >
> >They are both OUTSTANDING drummers. Have you ever listened to Spellbound
> >or
> >seen Budgie live?
> >
> >gb - a drummer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Rob Horan" <Rob at westwoodassociates.co.uk>
> > >
> > >As far as drummers go, Budgie couldn't tie Atkins' shoelaces........
> >
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