[kj] Ill Logic PontifiPation

[Leigh Newton]

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wrote:

> I was just a little too busy with living life to
> refute these rather blinkered pontifications until
> now, so be kind, rewind!
>  
> >Well there are people who feel so disenfranchised
> with society that they dont really care about
> humanity
> other than for their own selfish reasoning. Now part
> of this discussion is because you yourself have
> clearly indicated that you care little for human
> suffering 
> 
> iPat's logic breaks down instantly, as he's infering
> a
> generalised statement I never made from me stating
> that I didn't care about the tube bombings.
> 
> Explain how you extrapolated from that the statement
> that I don't care about human suffering.
> 
> Why do I try to avoid buying products made in
> sweatshops?
> 
> Why did I donate money to help Jester pay for cancer
> treatment?
> 
> Why did I donate money to help the people injured by
> the Pakistan earthquake?
> 
> >(dont know the reason for feeling the need to
> defend
> Jaz though as that sort of defies the logic of the
> previous stance). 
> 
> What has logic got to do with it? 
> Please explain.
> 
> Whatever happened to
> "The Fall of Because"?
> 
> >Ultimately it doesnt really mean much to me what
> you
> do as its insignificant other than being somewhat
> abusive on a sharepoint. 
> 
> So why are you wasting everyone's time by even
> bothering to comment then? Too much time wasted
> online
> perhaps?
> 
> Ultimately I don't care. I also don't care about
> your
> spiritual hocum. Please explain what you mean by the
> phrase "abusive on a sharepoint."
> 
> >But while you wallow in the reaction to your
> clacking
> of the keyboards make sure that you are no different
> to the attention seeking antics of Peter West. 
> 
> The attention has sure come to me, 
> I'm not wallowing in it, I rather think you might be
> though. I'm laughing!
> 
> Pontif-iPat couldn't possibly be attention seeking
> with all his philosophy and spirituality quotes?
> Looka me! 
> Looka me!
> I'm so well read and enlightened!
> 
> >The two of you are the same with a different mask.
> peters just more honest about it. 
>  
> Similar in some ways but very different in many more
> -
> once again Mr Logic is generalising grossly in his
> pontifications.
> 
> It is probably true that West & I like Killing Joke,
> are subscribed to The Gathering email list and don't
> much give a damn what anyone else thinks of us.
> We're
> also both not taking all this as seriously as some
> of
> you.
> 
> Pontif-iPat often seems almost as foolish as West,
> West is just more honest about it.
> 
> >What can be done? With you probably little as you
> are
> too caught up in your ego to see from outside. 
> 
> How can you know that unless you're in my brain?
> 
> How far outside are you seeing from iPat? Neptune?
> Jupiter? The comment below about work as the basis
> of
> survival suggests to me that you're then one having
> problems seeing things from outside.
> 
> Are you really that arrogant that you think you can
> do
> something with me? Maybe you should mind your own
> business and stop worrying about me as I'm doing OK.
> Get a life, OK?
> 
> >The hedonistic lifestyle you boast about,
> piggybacked
> on middle class privilege, 
> 
> Its funny that you see the middle class as a
> privilege. I see it more as a transitory state in a
> society destined to doom and destruction. Anyway, by
> any economic criteria I'm not middle class.
> 
> >means that you look down on people who simply work
> to
> support their families, the basic essence of human
> survival. 
> 
> Don't tell me what I look down on you pompous
> patronising person. The kind of meaningless work
> some
> people do would soon make me suicidal... Lucky for
> me
> I live in a society which isn't yet oppressed enough
> for that to happen! Although our opulent lifestyles
> sure are oppressing a lot of folk in foreign lands.
> 
> Maybe I am just having too much fun?
> Nice work if you can get it!
> 
> Looks like iPat has been suckered by the work ethic
> con.
> 
> Working in itself is not the basic essence of human
> survival. Hunting, gathering and farming might be
> seen
> as work and are quite useful for survival. A lot of
> work is completely irrelevant to survival, eg. call
> centres, lawyers, banking, politicians.
> 
> Whatever happened to
> "Money is Not Our God"?
> 
> The basic essence of human survival is more like
> eating, playing and fucking.
> 
> Conflict and its resolution also plays a more
> important part in survival than working.
> 
> Surely illumination is more important for survival
> and
> consequent evolution than mere work?
> 
> Read Bob Black's pamphlet "The Abolition of Work"
> for
> a very different point of view to that which iPat
> expounds.
> (50p from Active Distribution, BM Active, London
> WC1N
> 3XX).
> 
> Another interesting book you could read is "Evasion"
> published by 
> www.crimethinc.com
> 
> Your nervous system
> I don't like it!
> 
> >You support it by a fantasy of hero worship from
> the 
> 
> I don't have heros, but I can respect some people.
> 
> If it was a fantasy of hero worship, then it
> wouldn't
> really be hero worship would it?
> 
> >- alleged - 'lookalike' Jaz leather coat to a
> fetish
> about Jaz that mimics the delusion of a crazed
> stalker
> 
> 
> That's funny!
> If I was a crazed stalker of Jaz I'd make much more
> effort to actually meet him. Its true I go to
> Killing
> Joke gigs though. Yes I have two leather jackets but
> neither lookalike da one Jaz wears.
> 
> >Now you are so 'on the edge' 
> 
> Maybe 'Over the Edge'?
> 
> >to promote gigs in someones living room 
> 
> Some of us get out a bit more and check our email in
> public places, ie. cafes, social centres, libraries.
> 
> There are quite a lot of non-profit gigs happening
> in
> people's living rooms round manchester these past
> few
> years, if that's what you meant.
> 
> >but really you simply suck on others egos to feed
> your ego and greed 
> 
> Listen ye to the great wise guru iPat!
> He knows all about reality, for iPat is reality! 
> 
> Futte mein ego!
> Futte mein ego!
> Ego! Ego! Ego!
> 
> Please explain how you think I'm being greedy.
> In comparison to what?
> 
> >with the subsequent audacity when people look at
> you
> and shout "Look! The emperor has no clothes!" 
> 
> Godspeed You Black Emperor!
> All the way to 
> An Irrational Domain
>       (balls out of play J. Harper)
> 
> Maybe iPat should reread the story about the
> Emperor's
> new clothes, because I don't think its moral really
> applies at all to what he's pontificating about.
> Hopefully this is not the early onset of senility!
> 
> >you cant hear them because the noise you are making
> about yourself is drowning out the cries. 
> 
> Damn iPat, you don't talk to yourself at the
> computer
> do you? Better watch out for that dementia!
> 
> Poor old Ade wasn't so self-pitying he actually
> cried
> was he?
> 
> I can't hear them but I have been reading them and
> reacting to some of their statements and slander,
> which I guess is the reason you think I'm attention
> seeking? 
>  
> I know Jane seemed a bit upset, and she is a
> fundamentally decent person who I didn't mean to
> offend, but at least she hasn't allowed herself to
> sink to the pitiful level Leigh, the ever dull Ade
> and
> Alex have just because they can't accept that I
> don't
> share their morals. They also seem to be a bit
> confused about sexuality, but that's their problem.
> I
> just reacted in kind and gave as bad as I got, but
> it
> got quite boring didn't it?
> 
> I understand the reasons that Alex kicked off and
> would like it to be water under the bridge. I like
> the
> guy and feel sorry that my crass, if truthful,
> statement offended him. The name calling was quite
> funny. I think we have risen above it as he
> suggested,
> at least I've stopped. Alex has made his point,
> repeatedly.
> 
> I think Ade is a self-pitying sell out who makes
> pathetic excuses for changing his ideals. Fair
> enough
> if he thinks Alex didn't deserve my caustic message
> about moving to New Orleans. It wasn't actually a
> serious suggestion, and I think if anyone thought it
> was they're probably a bit dim. It really isn't my
> business how Ade lives his life, but he seems to
> want
> it to be, and he was whining on and making up lies
> about me. The fact that he seems to blame his
> children
> for making him do things he doesn't like is the
> really
> pathetic aspect. Does he really believe they'd
> starve
> if he stopped shopping at Asda? What an idiotic
> blowhard!
> 
> >Now with these questions you attempt to conceal
> yourself as an intellectual 
> 
> I'm not an intellectual.
> How would I be concealing myself if I was?
> 
> Do you actually know what an intellectual is?
> 
> >when in fact you are blind to the fact that these
> questions are about you. 
> 
> Which questions?
> 
> THE FALL OF BECAUSE
> 
> Care to repeat them?
> 
> THE FALL OF BECAUSE
> 
> I would've thought everyone would be getting a bit
> bored of me by now, but some of you are right
> obsessive nosy parkers!
> 
> I guess I just haven't had time to reply to every
> single damn email from every single nosy parker out
> there yet!
> 
> THE FALL OF BECAUSE
> 
> >You joined a community and they seem to be
> rejecting
> you again Graeme - it cant always be everyone elses
> fault all of the time. 
> 
> I count about four people being childishly abusive,
> and a couple more lecturing calmly in bleeding heart
> morality and whatnot. Hardly a rejection by an
> entire
> community. There are conflicts and disagreements in
> all communities, despite the best efforts of
> iGrasshopper!
> 
> Slowly slowly out it came 
> Tendencies that weren't the same
> 
> So is iPat really that pompous that he thinks he can
> speak for everyone subscribed to The Gathering? 
> 
> I don't see this in terms of fault, just differing
> reactions to events.
> 
> Laughter and argue!
> 
> I've always been quite content to move beyond
> consensus reality. If iPat sees that as a problem
> then
> it's his problem.  
> 
> >The answers are simple, it comes from within. 
> 
> The answers to what?
> 
> The metaphysical answers iPat himself is pondering
> as
> he peers deep into his illuminated psyche, or
> practical ways about how to bring change to the
> world?
> 
> >All the different faiths have that common thread
> that
> people overlook. 
> 
> Yes, even Faith Brown knew it!
> And let us not forget "The Faith Healer" by the
> Sensational Alex Harvey Band!
> 
> >The answer is within and until you stop running
> from
> it then you will never have that peace. 
> 
> Not much good having the answer within if Uncle
> Sam's
> troops are ass raping your grandpa for porn to flog
> to
> Bizarre magazine? 
> 
> Will the answer within save us from the catastrophic
> consequences of global warming, iPat?
> 
> Why do you assume I want peace?
> Noise! Noise! Noise!
> You're now projecting your values onto me, aren't
> you?
> 
> This is it!
> This is mystical shit!
> 
> >how can you sort out the world if you cant sort out
> yourself? 
> 
> I'm quite well sorted right now.
> Want any E's?
> WHITEOUT!
> 
> Quote a few books you've read and everything will be
> OK!
> Keep chomping Big Mucs as you read the holy texts!
> 
> >how can there be peace in the world if you have no
> peace of mind? 
> 
> The nature of nature is rarely peaceful.
> Maybe you should just ask...
> "How can there be peace in the world?"
> 
> Evolution is fueled by conflict.
> 
> >How can you love if you hate yourself? 
> 
> I don't hate myself, but I think I'm beginning to
> find
> iPat's pompous lectures rather egotistical.
> 
> Look within, pontif-iPat and you shall find your
> pieces.
> 
> Where's the god damn chessboard?
> 
> Don't lecture me about inner peace whilst you're
> angrily telling iGrasshopper to fuck off. A bit
> egotisitical wasn't it? Maybe you should reread your
> own little lecture in humility that you graced us
> all
> with.
> 
> Funny how the iGrasshoper routine was the first time
> West made me laugh. I also can't quite work out if
> iPat is serious in his attempts to blunder oafishly
> into trying to be some kinda spiritual guru, or if
> he's taking the piss, but if its a joke its quite a
> good one and I'll run with it for a laugh!
> 
> Ever read the bible story about the mote in the eye,
> iPat? 
> 
> Foetus once sang,
> "Judge not lest ye be judged thyself"
> 
> I think it also says that in the bible, since we're
> spouting off on religious hocus pocus. 
> 
> Also its quite ironic that Pat prefaces himself with
> the letter "i" as ego is supposedly in the "I."
> 
> Whatever happened to
> "Wilful Days" ??????
> 
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