[kj] Killing Joke was nt right

[peter.west410]

"I bet you were jumping up & down with glee when you read that"

   I hope the human species doesn't die out in the near future, but IF we
are destined to die out, then I hope it happens when I'm still around

 PW

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From: "ade" <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
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Subject: RE: [kj] Killing Joke was right


> I bet you were jumping up & down with glee when you read that.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Alex Smith
> Sent: 21 November 2005 14:12
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> Subject: Re: [kj] Killing Joke was right
>
>
>
> What a CHILLING story.
>
> Sorry.
>
> Alex in NYC
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: GregSlawson at aol.com
> Sent: Nov 21, 2005 12:25 AM
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Subject: [kj] Killing Joke was right
>
> "I was born to see 2,000 years
> Of man's effect upon the planet
> Extinction seems to be a plausible risk
> Whatever happens well I'm part of all this."
>
> "I can see tomorrow/I can see the world to come
> I can see tomorrow/Hear the pandemonium"
>
> Published on Sunday, November 20, 2005 by the lndependent/UK
>
> The Big Thaw: Global Disaster Will Follow If the Ice Cap on Greenland
Melts
> Now scientists say it is vanishing far faster than even they expected.
>
>
> by Geoffrey Lean
>
>
> Greenland's glaciers have begun to race towards the ocean, leading
> scientists
> to predict that the vast island's ice cap is approaching irreversible
> meltdown, The Independent on Sunday can reveal.
>
>
> Lines on this satellite image of Greenland's Helheim glacier show the
> positions of the glacier front between 2001 and 2005. Image: I. Howat et
al.
>
> Research to be published in a few days' time shows how glaciers that have
> been stable for centuries have started to shrink dramatically as
> temperatures in
> the Arctic have soared with global warming. On top of this, record amounts
> of
> the ice cap's surface turned to water this summer.
>
> The two developments - the most alarming manifestations of climate change
to
> date - suggest that the ice cap is melting far more rapidly than
scientists
> had thought, with immense consequences for civilisation and the planet.
Its
> complete disappearance would raise the levels of the world's seas by 20
> feet,
> spelling inundation for London and other coastal cities around the globe,
> along
> with much of low-lying countries such as Bangladesh.
>
> More immediately, the vast amount of fresh water discharged into the ocean
> as
> the ice melts threatens to shut down the Gulf Stream, which protects
Britain
> and the rest of northern Europe from a freezing climate like that of
> Labrador.
>
> The revelations, which follow the announcement that the melting of sea ice
> in
> the Arctic also reached record levels this summer, come as the world's
> governments are about to embark on new negotiations about how to combat
> global
> warming.
>
> This week they will meet in Montreal for the first formal talks on whether
> there should be a new international treaty on cutting the pollution that
> causes
> climate change after the Kyoto protocol expires in seven years' time.
> Writing
> in The Independent yesterday, Tony Blair called the meeting "crucial",
> adding
> that it "must start to shape an inclusive global solution". But little
> progress is expected, largely because of continued obstruction from
> President George
> Bush.
>
> The new evidence from Greenland, to be published in the journal
Geophysical
> Research Letters, shows a sudden decline in the giant Helheim glacier, a
> river
> of ice that grinds down from the inland ice cap to the sea through a
narrow
> rift in the mountain range on the island's east coast.
>
> Professor Slawek Tulaczyk, of the Department of Earth Sciences at the
> University of California, Santa Cruz, told the IoS that the glacier had
> dropped 100
> feet this summer.
>
> Over the past four years, the research adds, the front of the glacier -
> which
> has remained in the same place since records began - has retreated four
and
> a
> half miles. As it has retreated and thinned, the effects have spread
inland
> "very fast indeed", says Professor Tulaczyk. As the centre of the
Greenland
> ice
> cap is only 150 miles away, the researchers fear that it, too, will soon
be
> affected.
>
> The research echoes disturbing studies on the opposite side of Greenland:
> the
> giant Jakobshavn glacier - at four miles wide and 1,000 feet thick the
> biggest on the landmass - is now moving towards the sea at a rate of 113
> feet a
> year; the normal annual speed of a glacier is just one foot.
>
> The studies have found that water from melted ice on the surface is
> percolating down through holes on the glacier until it forms a layer
between
> it and the
> rock below, slightly lifting it and moving it toward the sea as if on a
> conveyor belt. This one glacier alone is reckoned now to be responsible
for
> 3 per
> cent of the annual rise of sea levels worldwide.
>
> "We may be very close to the threshold where the Greenland ice cap will
melt
> irreversibly," says Tavi Murray, professor of glaciology at the University
> of
> Wales. Professor Tulaczyk adds: "The observations that we are seeing now
> point
> in that direction."
>
> Until now, scientists believed the ice cap would take 1,000 years to melt
> entirely, but Ian Howat, who is working with Professor Tulaczyk, says the
> new
> developments could "easily" cut this time "in half".
>
> There is also a more immediate danger as the melting ice threatens to
> disrupt
> the Gulf Stream, responsible for Britain's mild climate. The current,
which
> brings us as much heat in winter as we get from the sun, is driven by very
> salty water sinking off Greenland. This drives a deep current of cold
ocean
> southwards, in turn forcing the warm water north.
>
> Research at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute in Massachusetts has
> shown, that even before the glaciers started accelerating, the water in
the
> North
> Atlantic was getting fresher in what it describes as "the largest and most
> dramatic oceanic change ever measured in the era of modern instruments".
>
> Even before these discoveries, scientists had shortened to evens the odds
on
> the Gulf Stream failing this century. When it failed before, 12,700 years
> ago,
> Britain was covered in permafrost for 1,300 years.
>
>
>
>
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