[kj] On topic- sorry to intrude

[fluw]

*yes, i would hope bands can be influenced without sounding way too much 
like the influence ( ala *1919* [which i like despite of, or maybe 
because of, it's obvious sonic appropriations ;] )  but having aggregate 
similarities to an influence, can be both transparent & give strong 
roots to whatever is added.

i liken it to the musical language implicit in various music scales - 
the human body has a cellular trace memory ( as well as a direct 
experiential memory ) that allows us all to interpret and experience 
whether a sound gets us off or not. this i suppose is similar to any 
natural attractions we perceive in any sensory context, whether visual, 
taste, scent, auditory.
 --   Ex: as pop & folk music takes full advantage of the most familiar 
melodic patterns to increase it's appeal  --... other music like *modern 
experimental jazz* will avoid most, but not all, of the traditionally 
familiar melodic infrastructure in order to explore possibilites and 
sound 'new' - if jazz sounds continue to be popular  -  in time
 ( over many many many generations ) it too will develop a *rapport*  
with memory and these (formerly new) melodic motifs will be used for pop 
appeal as well. as for now, many post 50's jazz experiments are too 
unfamiliar and therefor - sound chaotic to the greater populace.

 all paradyms of perceptions have a basis that provides an eqilibrium 
which is beneficial as a foundation for further exploration.

but amateur artistic meanderings by beings ( such as indolent adults ) 
who have lost a connection to their natural uninnitiated inner child 
voice and are merely creating with a lazy un-informed musical approach 
ala, patti smith, or oasis, are not adding anything palatable, laudable 
or repeatable to the culture. those approaches are pure torpid 
excrement..least that's how it sounds to me.

  
t
*
 
Alex Smith wrote:

>I think you can certainly be *INFLUENCED* by a band without sounding like them, though, no? Besides, if they *DID* sound like the `Joke -- or attempt to sound like the `Joke -- they'd be lambasted for *ripping off* the `Joke (ala Ministry, Big Black, etc.)
>
>Chris Conrell's been talking about Killing Joke for quite some time (I remember him citing them in an interview circa LOUDER THAN LOVE in `89). I don't doubt his appreciation. Dunno about the Darkness guy. 
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>Alex in NYC
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>
>Sent: Nov 17, 2005 2:41 PM
>To: fluwdot at earthlink.net, "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
>Subject: Re: [kj] On topic- sorry to intrude
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>That's the same with every influential band though, from Faith No More to the Smiths. When was the last time you heard a song from Papa Roach or Oasis that sounded like either of those two (in terms of music or quality, actually ;)?
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>  Jim. 
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>fluw <fluwdot at earthlink.net> wrote:
>  so many bands claim influence f/ kj yet most of them bare no sonic resemblance of musicians whom ever heard geordie & co.
>
>bet timberlake and 50 cent are fans too
>
>Jim Harper wrote:     The Darkness' guitarist picked one of the 2003 Camdem Underworld gigs as one of the best gigs he'd ever seen, actually. Jaz wasn't terribly impressed, surprisingly.
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>Steve Hackett <thepunisher at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:           this weeks Kerrang has a couple of perhaps unlikely references to the Joke
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>  Justin Hawkins - or that twat out of the Darkness as I usually refer to him -says what a big fan of KJ he is and then ruins it by saying that if he had "a snowflakes chance in hell" of ever recognising Jaz he would punch him
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>  then Chris Cornell - or that twat out of Audioslave as I... - no I dont really - picks Requiem as one of the trax that changed his life!
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