[kj] Feel the State of Death (was Jaz as Suicide Bomber)

[iPat]

 Bear with me while i quote:
Feel the State of Death (J Krishnamurti)
We are afraid to die. To end the fear of death we must come into contact
with death, not with the image which thought has created about death, but we
must actually feel the state. Otherwise there is no end to fear, because the
word death creates fear, and we don't even want to talk about it.
Being healthy, normal, with the capacity to reason clearly, to think
objectively, to observe, is it possible for us to come into contact with the
fact, totally? The organism, through usage, through disease, will eventually
die. If we are healthy, we want to find out what death means. It's not a
morbid desire, because perhaps by dying we shall understand living. Living,
as it is now, is torture, endless turmoil, a contradiction, and therefore
there is conflict, misery and confusion. The everyday going to the office,
the repetition of pleasure with its pains, the anxiety, the groping, the
uncertainty—that's what we call living. We have become accustomed to that
kind of living. We accept it!; we grow old with it and die.

To find out what living is as well as to find out what dying is, one must
come into contact with death; that is, one must end every day everything one
has known. One must end the image that one has built up about oneself, about
one's family, about one's relationship, the image that one has built through
pleasure, through one's relationship to society, everything. That is what is
going to take place when death occurs.......................................
Krishnamurti tells us that we have to kill off the collection of memories
and attitude that make us 'us' (ego) in order to look at the day with brand
new eyes. We must 'empty the cup'. The suicide bomber doesnt do that, 'he'
accumulates a religion to hide behind. He denies his own experience and
adopts another and this submission is a perversion of gods[insert whatother
name is used for god] will. Its the ultimate irony, the killing joke.

On 11/10/05, Mark Kolmar <mkolmar at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 11/10/05, Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > And for Jaz to spout crap about "death without fear" and whatnot one
> moment, then to applaud life so zestily the next ("Age of Greed," "Money is
> Not Our God," "Love Like Blood," and his contstant mantra-like repetition in
> interviews that "life is short"), just smacks a bit of hyporcisy.
>
> I'll wait until I see the interview, to get the comments in full
> context. But a couple of comments in the meantime:
>
> I am not sure "death without fear" and zest for life are in conflict.
> Make the most of what you have, and then try to die without fear.
>
> --
> iPat
> "Intellect and intelligence do not go together. Intelligence is obtained
> only when the heart and mind reach an agreement." Krishnamurti
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