[kj] re: jihad/Beyrouth

bernies at ntlworld.com bernies at ntlworld.com
Mon May 16 11:08:26 EDT 2005 

Who said i was real. I'm a product of your sick imagination

> 
> From: Phillipps Marc <Marc.Phillipps at enfield.nhs.uk>
> Date: 2005/05/16 Mon AM 11:49:58 GMT
> To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" <gathering at misera.net>
> Subject: RE: Re: [kj] re: jihad/Beyrouth
> 
> >What a pity it's not possible to filter out this shit from the Gathering
> digest. 
> 
> Real men do not use the digest 
> 
> :op
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	bernies at ntlworld.com [SMTP:bernies at ntlworld.com]
> > Sent:	Monday, May 16, 2005 12:44 PM
> > To:	gathering at misera.net
> > Subject:	Re: Re: [kj] re: jihad/Beyrouth
> > 
> > What a pity it's not possible to filter out this shit from the Gathering
> > digest. 
> > > 
> > > From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410 at ntlworld.com>
> > > Date: 2005/05/14 Sat PM 10:31:51 GMT
> > > To: "iPat" <pmdavies at gmail.com>, 
> > > 	"A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> > <gathering at misera.net>
> > > Subject: Re: [kj] re: jihad/Beyrouth
> > > 
> > > "You may disagree with the widely used concensus that
> > > chelsea bought the league, but by your own arguments you seem to
> > > suggest that we should accept this as its now widely used!"
> > > 
> > >    These are two completely different issues.One(Jihad) is dealing with
> > what
> > > a word means,its correct usage and how it is generally perceived .
> > >    And the other is dealing with Business/sporting issue(Did CFC buy the
> > > PL.)
> > > If you would like to make similarities with the football world then the
> > > nearest comparisons I can think of is:
> > > Should the MK Dons be known as Wimbledon or MK Dons?
> > > (That is like the Jihad discussion)
> > > and:Are Hamas a terror group or a Social group
> > > (That could equate to did CFC buy the league)
> > > PW
> > > 
> > > P.S Have you left for Geordieland yet,as I may be going as well.But I
> > wont
> > > find out until tomorrow
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "iPat" <pmdavies at gmail.com>
> > > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> > > <gathering at misera.net>
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 6:29 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [kj] re: jihad/Beyrouth
> > > 
> > > 
> > > i accept that you shouldnt simply blame the media for everything,
> > > however your referencing the term of Jihad comes from the media as i
> > > doubt that any of you are accessing Islamic istes. I refer you to the
> > > The The material in the 80's that was warning about the islamaphobia
> > > seeds being sewn by Thatcher and the religious right.
> > > Coming onto your point which simply mirrored my aknowledgement that
> > > terms can change meaning and the gay term is an overused example. If
> > > there is a general concensus that x is right it doesnt neceaaraily
> > > mean that it is. You may disagree with the widely used concensus that
> > > chelsea bought the league, but by your own arguments you seem to
> > > suggest that we should accept this as its now widely used!
> > > as to your final note, people can use whatever term they want if its
> > > their artform. If you are so closed to this practice one wonders what
> > > attracts you to this particular band but then again we sort of get the
> > > gist of your purpose here.
> > > 
> > > over and out, off to newcastle
> > > 
> > > On 5/14/05, peter.west410 <peter.west410 at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > > > You really cant blame the media for everything.They only report on
> > what
> > > > happens,The Islamic groups called themselves "Jihad" not the media.
> > > >    Its nothing to do with "Individuality or follow the leader" Its to
> > do
> > > > with correctly understanding each other.You are free to use the word
> > > > "Jihad"in whatever context you so wish,But you are liable to be
> > > > misunderstood.
> > > >     Language is an evolving form and its important to keep up,Would
> > you
> > > tell
> > > > everyone "Its such a nice day today,Im feeling rather gay?"
> > > >    No you would nt ,because "gay" used to mean "happy", but now it
> > means
> > > "a
> > > > poof".So words do change there meaning.
> > > >     Why do you want to use Arabic words anyway?Surely you can find
> > English
> > > > words that everyone will understand.
> > > >
> > > >        PW
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --
> > > iPat
> > > live for today, live for tomorrow
> > > "Truth is a pathless land. Man cannot come to it through any
> > > organisation, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or ritual,
> > > nor through any philosophic knowledge or psychological technique. He
> > > has to find it through the mirror of relationship, through the
> > > understanding of the contents of his own mind, through observation and
> > > not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection..."
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