[kj] Miks DVDs/P West

god botherer acroastic at hotmail.com
Tue Mar 15 09:03:28 EST 2005 

Peter

OK, I'll work on brash and abusive. Plenty of good examples on the list!

Si

>From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410 at ntlworld.com>
>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
><gathering at misera.net>
>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
><gathering at misera.net>
>Subject: Re: [kj] Miks DVDs/P West
>Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:48:17 -0000
>
>    GB.
>   My post was nt neccesarily directed to you,Just a general observation in
>reply to various posts.And if you would be a bit more brash and abusive in
>your posts I would find them easier to comprehend.
>
>                   PW
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "god botherer" <acroastic at hotmail.com>
>To: <gathering at misera.net>
>Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:31 PM
>Subject: [kj] Miks DVDs/P West
>
>
> > Peter
> >
> > I don't really understand your take on my message.
> >
> > I said I didn't begrudge Mik the £5 charge. Like a lot of people I would
> > have been happy to pay Mik more than £5 per VCD for all the trouble he
>went
> > to. I very much appreciated what Mik did. And I have no problem with the
> > That's Life clip I recorded being freely available now on Mr. Pants. 
>(Well
> > done Ade and thank you for what you do.) The whole point was to put it
>into
> > the public domain because I believe in sharing. We all win that way.
> >
> > I'm just trying to say that I wouldn't like to see a Jazz Summers type
>come
> > along, prevent the free distribution of all this material, grab what we
>had
> > freely given and then start charging for it and making serious money. I
> > found the request for Mik to hand over everything rather troubling.
> >
> > I met Mik and found him to be a really lovely bloke. I certainly wish 
>him
> > well.
> >
> > Si
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410 at ntlworld.com>
> > >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> > ><gathering at misera.net>
> > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> > ><gathering at misera.net>
> > >Subject: Re: [kj] Miks DVDs
> > >Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:17:04 -0000
> > >
> > >I also provided him with one of his best selling titles.
> > >   I really cant understand why you would nt like to see Mik 
>prosper.What
> > >have you got against Mik doing well?If he was making money at my 
>expense
> > >and
> > >cutting my profits then i could understand it.
> > >     Personally,I would like to see all my friends or acquaintances 
>doing
> > >well(All three of them:-) (Or is it the English way to begrudge
>successful
> > >people)
> > >    Or maybe you are happy being part of one big family without a pot 
>to
> > >piss
> > >in,And whoever starts doing well for themselves must be stopped?
> > >      That 30 second clip from "Thats life" is freely  available from
>Ades
> > >site (Cheers Ade ;-)
> > >    So why do people begrudge other people raking it in?
> > >
> > >     PW
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "god botherer" <acroastic at hotmail.com>
> > >To: <gathering at misera.net>; <spud.u.hate at gmail.com>
> > >Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:23 PM
> > >Subject: [kj] Miks DVDs
> > >
> > >
> > > > Don't forget that Mik was provided with at least some of his
>collection
> > >for
> > > > free by people like me, who simply welcomed the opportunity for the
> > >widest
> > > > possible number of people to see what we had. So I don't think it
>would
> > >have
> > > > been right for him to have made serious money out of it.
> > > >
> > > > Personally, I would not have given up such material to anybody who I
> > >thought
> > > > was going to make serious money out of it, but I didn't begrudge Mik
>the
> > > > paltry round sum of £5 for the cost of the raw materials (don't 
>forget
> > > > things like cartridge ink), the postage and packing and the not
> > > > inconsiderable time spent. He provided a service and a labour of 
>love.
> > > >
> > > > However, I would be rather pissed off now, if, for instance, 
>something
> > >of
> > > > which I once possessed the only copy in the world outside the BBC
>(i.e.
> > >Jaz
> > > > on That's Life) now gets incorporated into somebody's money making
> > >project.
> > > >
> > > > Si
> > > >
> > > > >From: Paul Rangecroft <paulrangecroft666 at yahoo.co.uk>
> > > > >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> > > > ><gathering at misera.net>
> > > > >To: Geordie Wanker <spud.u.hate at gmail.com>,"A list about all things
> > >Killing
> > > > >Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
> > > > >Subject: Re: [kj] Miks DVDs
> > > > >Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:46:33 +0000 (GMT)
> > > > >
> > > > >That just proves what a spineless snivelling little shit that you
>are.
> > > > >     All you are worried about is Mik NOT making  money.As Mik was 
>nt
> > > > >taking money out of KJs pot and was helping to publicise the band 
>and
> > >doing
> > > > >the fans a favour,Then I hoped he would of been making big money.I
> > >really
> > > > >would of liked to of seen Mik sale loads of his wares and become
> > > > >rich,instead of the paltery figure he was selling.And all you seem 
>to
> > >be
> > > > >worried about is Mik NOT earning money.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >2-0..............................you prick.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Geordie Wanker <spud.u.hate at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >i agree with rob. £5 is not cost. sell a few hundred bootlegs (and
> > > > >with so many on his site and the entire www as your marketplace
>that's
> > > > >not out of the question) and you could make over a grand.
> > > > >
> > > > >i can understand mik being a bit cheesed off (if he is cheesed off, 
>i
> > > > >don't know since i haven't talked to him about it) because he got
> > > > >mixed signals from the band. "anything you want, just ask" they 
>told
> > > > >him. and the official site linked to him (and still does!). then 
>all
> > > > >of a sudden he's told to stop. i'd be annoyed if that were me.
> > > > >
> > > > >if he HAD been trading at cost and the band were a bit more
>consistent
> > > > >perhaps a better solution could have been arrived at. it is a shame
> > > > >that fans don't have access to these gigs and promo videos anymore.
> > > > >
> > > > >concerning the mel thing. i must apolgise to ade. i honestly,
>honestly
> > > > >thought it was that dunce westy. but it seems not so it looks like
> > > > >i've made a twat of myself with my first post coming back so no
>change
> > > > >there then. PW can notch that up as 1-0 to him.
> > > > >
> > > > >get well soon jester joe.
> > > > >
> > > > >sir paul of rangecroft
> > > > >(told you i was mad)
> > > > >
> > > > >On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:43:43 -0800 (PST), Rob's Arse wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ade dear, you may misunderstand me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm not against Mik selling his stuff but my point is that, if
> > >you're
> > > > >going
> > > > > > to stop someone doing soemthing, then replace it with something
> > >better.
> > > > >I'm
> > > > > > just offering a little more detail into the reason why he was
>asked
> > >to
> > > > >stop.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And at £5 dvd, you can make money. I buy blank DVDs for 26p. 
>cases
> > >for
> > > > >10p,
> > > > > > jiffy bags for 12p and postage would be 50p. At £5 a pop, Mik
>would
> > > > > > actually be making more money than the band would likely get on 
>an
> > > > >official
> > > > > > release!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The fact that KJ keep missing business opportunties no longer
> > >surprises
> > > > >me!
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