[kj] Miks DVDs/P West

Tue Mar 15 08:31:33 EST 2005

Peter

I don't really understand your take on my message.

I said I didn't begrudge Mik the £5 charge. Like a lot of people I would 
have been happy to pay Mik more than £5 per VCD for all the trouble he went 
to. I very much appreciated what Mik did. And I have no problem with the 
That's Life clip I recorded being freely available now on Mr. Pants. (Well 
done Ade and thank you for what you do.) The whole point was to put it into 
the public domain because I believe in sharing. We all win that way.

I'm just trying to say that I wouldn't like to see a Jazz Summers type come 
along, prevent the free distribution of all this material, grab what we had 
freely given and then start charging for it and making serious money. I 
found the request for Mik to hand over everything rather troubling.

I met Mik and found him to be a really lovely bloke. I certainly wish him 
well.

Si

>From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410 at ntlworld.com>
>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
><gathering at misera.net>
>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
><gathering at misera.net>
>Subject: Re: [kj] Miks DVDs
>Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:17:04 -0000
>
>I also provided him with one of his best selling titles.
>   I really cant understand why you would nt like to see Mik prosper.What
>have you got against Mik doing well?If he was making money at my expense 
>and
>cutting my profits then i could understand it.
>     Personally,I would like to see all my friends or acquaintances doing
>well(All three of them:-) (Or is it the English way to begrudge successful
>people)
>    Or maybe you are happy being part of one big family without a pot to 
>piss
>in,And whoever starts doing well for themselves must be stopped?
>      That 30 second clip from "Thats life" is freely  available from Ades
>site (Cheers Ade ;-)
>    So why do people begrudge other people raking it in?
>
>     PW
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "god botherer" <acroastic at hotmail.com>
>To: <gathering at misera.net>; <spud.u.hate at gmail.com>
>Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:23 PM
>Subject: [kj] Miks DVDs
>
>
> > Don't forget that Mik was provided with at least some of his collection
>for
> > free by people like me, who simply welcomed the opportunity for the 
>widest
> > possible number of people to see what we had. So I don't think it would
>have
> > been right for him to have made serious money out of it.
> >
> > Personally, I would not have given up such material to anybody who I
>thought
> > was going to make serious money out of it, but I didn't begrudge Mik the
> > paltry round sum of £5 for the cost of the raw materials (don't forget
> > things like cartridge ink), the postage and packing and the not
> > inconsiderable time spent. He provided a service and a labour of love.
> >
> > However, I would be rather pissed off now, if, for instance, something 
>of
> > which I once possessed the only copy in the world outside the BBC (i.e.
>Jaz
> > on That's Life) now gets incorporated into somebody's money making
>project.
> >
> > Si
> >
> > >From: Paul Rangecroft <paulrangecroft666 at yahoo.co.uk>
> > >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> > ><gathering at misera.net>
> > >To: Geordie Wanker <spud.u.hate at gmail.com>,"A list about all things
>Killing
> > >Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
> > >Subject: Re: [kj] Miks DVDs
> > >Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:46:33 +0000 (GMT)
> > >
> > >That just proves what a spineless snivelling little shit that you are.
> > >     All you are worried about is Mik NOT making  money.As Mik was nt
> > >taking money out of KJs pot and was helping to publicise the band and
>doing
> > >the fans a favour,Then I hoped he would of been making big money.I 
>really
> > >would of liked to of seen Mik sale loads of his wares and become
> > >rich,instead of the paltery figure he was selling.And all you seem to 
>be
> > >worried about is Mik NOT earning money.
> > >
> > >
> > >2-0..............................you prick.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Geordie Wanker <spud.u.hate at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >i agree with rob. £5 is not cost. sell a few hundred bootlegs (and
> > >with so many on his site and the entire www as your marketplace that's
> > >not out of the question) and you could make over a grand.
> > >
> > >i can understand mik being a bit cheesed off (if he is cheesed off, i
> > >don't know since i haven't talked to him about it) because he got
> > >mixed signals from the band. "anything you want, just ask" they told
> > >him. and the official site linked to him (and still does!). then all
> > >of a sudden he's told to stop. i'd be annoyed if that were me.
> > >
> > >if he HAD been trading at cost and the band were a bit more consistent
> > >perhaps a better solution could have been arrived at. it is a shame
> > >that fans don't have access to these gigs and promo videos anymore.
> > >
> > >concerning the mel thing. i must apolgise to ade. i honestly, honestly
> > >thought it was that dunce westy. but it seems not so it looks like
> > >i've made a twat of myself with my first post coming back so no change
> > >there then. PW can notch that up as 1-0 to him.
> > >
> > >get well soon jester joe.
> > >
> > >sir paul of rangecroft
> > >(told you i was mad)
> > >
> > >On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:43:43 -0800 (PST), Rob's Arse wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ade dear, you may misunderstand me.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not against Mik selling his stuff but my point is that, if 
>you're
> > >going
> > > > to stop someone doing soemthing, then replace it with something
>better.
> > >I'm
> > > > just offering a little more detail into the reason why he was asked 
>to
> > >stop.
> > > >
> > > > And at £5 dvd, you can make money. I buy blank DVDs for 26p. cases 
>for
> > >10p,
> > > > jiffy bags for 12p and postage would be 50p. At £5 a pop, Mik would
> > > > actually be making more money than the band would likely get on an
> > >official
> > > > release!
> > > >
> > > > The fact that KJ keep missing business opportunties no longer
>surprises
> > >me!
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