[kj] Miks DVDs

ade ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk
Fri Mar 11 11:52:30 EST 2005


Darling, I think I do ;)

In fact, we seem to be saying the same thing, except I don't think Mik
was profiteering, though your cost run-down is an eye-opener...

ade

PS. You may notice I'm a little provocative today. Reading Pete's mails,
I'm sure you'll understand why :)

  -----Original Message-----
  From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Rob's Arse
  Sent: 11 March 2005 16:44
  To: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk; A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
  Subject: RE: [kj] Miks DVDs


  Ade dear, you may misunderstand me.

  I'm not against Mik selling his stuff but my point is that, if you're going to stop someone doing soemthing, then replace it with something better. I'm just offering a little more detail into the reason why he was asked to stop.

  And at £5  dvd, you can make money. I buy blank DVDs for 26p. cases for 10p, jiffy bags for 12p and postage would be 50p.  At £5 a pop, Mik would actually be making more money than the band would likely get on an official release!

  The fact that KJ keep missing business opportunties no longer surprises me!


   
  --- "ade" <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
   
  From: "ade" <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
  Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:48:29 -0000
  To: <wittz at starsandmoon.plus.com>, "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" <gathering at misera.net>, <joker at Z6.com>, "'peter.west410'" <peter.west410 at ntlworld.com>
  Subject: RE: [kj] Miks DVDs



  Nice one Brian - sums it up really. No, I don't agree with Rob, but as he's a bit closer to the band,
  he has been given a different outlook on this. Shockingly, I do agree with Pete. Fact is that Mik was
  doing KJ a favour & not himself. Helping to keep their market alive. Well, if they wanna be like that, 4k 'em!

  ade.
    -----Original Message-----
    From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Wittz
    Sent: 11 March 2005 13:00
    To: joker at Z6.com; 'A list about all things Killing Joke ' (the band!); 'peter.west410'
    Subject: [kj] Miks DVDs


    I agree with what has been said by Rob and Peter.
    Although Mik may have been selling them I think covering costs etc may have been the motivation behind it.

    Now this is making a profit from the bands work and an entilerly different matter (unless this is official and got under my radar)....

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=4706997695&rd=1

    Brian.



    On Fri Mar 11 11:49 , 'peter.west410' <peter.west410 at ntlworld.com> sent:



      As far as I know all the stuff on Miks site were bootlegs and unavailable
      anywhere else, And I would confidently say that no-one has brought something
      off Miks site INSTEAD of buying from the shops,We are left with the
      situation today of there being no place to buy live KJ DVDs,If they had
      loads of titles available in the shops,then i could understand the reasoning
      .But now we are left with a void.
      As I said before that KJ should of got all Miks DVD ,took all the best
      bits and turned it into a three hour "best of",given away with the first
      batch of the new official DVD.Left Mik open,So people who wanted more ,could
      purchase them
      Actually KJ did request a copy of all of Miks
      mastertapes.......................Opppssssssss..............I do go on at
      times.

      PW

      (Unfortunately they got a negative response)



      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Rob's Arse" <joker at Z6.com>
      To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
      <gathering at misera.net>
      Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 8:58 AM
      Subject: Re: RE: [kj] bpf


      Your'e right Pete, it would have made sense to formalise the videos thing
      but there is much more to it than that.

      Basically, Mik was shut down because he was selling the stuff. I think Mik's
      a top fella but can understand the reasoning as it wasn't his stuff to sell.
      Essentially he was selling studio recordings in the form of the videos and
      it "could" be considered that this would be the same as if someone was
      selling mp3s of the official recordings.

      Bootleg gigs are slightly different but its a very fine line.

      The best thing would have been to have git an official video /dvd together
      and then close down Mik.

      --- "peter.west410" <peter.west410 at ntlworld.com> wrote:

      From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410 at ntlworld.com>
      Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:54:18 -0000
      To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
      <gathering at misera.net>
      Subject: Re: RE: [kj] bpf

      Do you know the reasoning for the management banning Mik's site?
      He was nt making much money,selling a nominal amount.And there is no
      official release of these recordings.It would of benefited everyone if KJ
      would of bought Mik on board,Advertised the site as official and charged 10
      quid for a DVD.Everyone a winner.And I hope Mel never made an official
      complaint about money and got Mik shut down.................ooopppsssss Me
      and my big mouth.

      PW




      ----- Original Message -----
      From: <bernies at ntlworld.com>
      To: <gathering at misera.net>
      Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 3:40 PM
      Subject: RE: RE: [kj] bpf


      > No, that's just to do with bootlegging. It's difficult to see how Mik's
      videos would have affected sales of the legitimate product but let's not
      start that discussion again!
      > jerry
      > >
      > > From: "ade" <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
      > > Date: 2005/03/10 Thu PM 01:20:40 GMT
      > > To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'"
      <gathering at misera.net>
      > > Subject: RE: RE: [kj] bpf
      > >
      > > Cheers for that, j. The business of royalties, et al, has always been
      > > somewhat confusing to me. Now I get the idea behind publishing -
      probably
      > > why Mik Raven was asked to stop selling bootleg vids, etc.
      > >
      > > Hmmm...
      > >
      > >
      > > ade.
      > >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
      > > [gathering-bounces at misera.net','','','')">gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of bernies at ntlworld.com
      > > Sent: 10 March 2005 10:47
      > > To: gathering at misera.net
      > > Subject: Re: RE: [kj] bpf
      > >
      > >
      > > None of the band probably get any royalties from their first ten years
      of
      > > record sales. Any royalties earned are used to pay back advances,
      recording
      > > and marketing costs before the band sees a penny. KJ's royalty rate, in
      > > aggregate, is probably no more than 10% of the price the dealer pays for
      the
      > > record and I doubt they've recouped what was spent on Outside the Gate,
      let
      > > alone the previous six albums.
      > >
      > > I'm pretty sure, however, that they've recouped their publishing deal
      with
      > > E'G hence they should all be getting royalties from performances, cover
      > > versions, etc.
      > >
      > > I don't suppose they'll ever see a penny from Jaz Summers, though.
      > >
      > > Any questions?
      > > j
      > > >
      > > > From: "ade" <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
      > > > Date: 2005/03/08 Tue PM 07:55:53 GMT
      > > > To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'"
      > > <gathering at misera.net>
      > > > Subject: RE: [kj] bpf
      > > >
      > > > bpfSo... Mike has morals enough to pay C4B royalties to BPF, but is it
      the
      > > > case
      > > > that BPF gets no other royalties? For all those groundbreaking albums
      he
      > > > played on & that sound he helped create?
      > > >
      > > > Smacks of a lesson learnt from Atkins!!!
      > > > -----Original Message-----
      > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
      > > [gathering-bounces at misera.net','','','')">gathering-bounces at misera.net]On
      > > > Behalf Of mike coles
      > > > Sent: 08 March 2005 19:32
      > > > To: gathering at misera.net
      > > > Subject: [kj] bpf
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > "As for Wardance, I'm sure Big Paul is still getting royalties...:
      > > >
      > > > No he isn't.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > oh yes he is...
      > > > from malicious damage records for chaos for breakfast which has two
      > > > versions of wardance on it
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > cheers,
      > > > colesy
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