[kj] bpf

Fri Mar 11 09:45:10 EST 2005

Rob, you're sounding like a Company Man!! ;)

I bought dvds from Mik for ?5 each - do you think he was making a profit?
Companies bemoan that
boots are being sold & it's actually THEIR fault that the boots sell - if
they cannot compete in
the market, if they cannot provide the product that people want, someone
else will provide said products
& the consumers will purchase what they want.

Tears for KJ (Oh boohoo, someone sold a bootleg 'cos you haven't released
any live recordings since Ha?),
this is a b0ll0x argument they're using mate!

Like I already said earlier, there's a value to allowing copies to happen &
as they're not going to get a single
penny from boots ANYWAY, why don't they just let said boots continue to
spread the word for them...

Ade.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On
Behalf Of Rob's Arse
  Sent: 11 March 2005 08:59
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
  Subject: Re: RE: [kj] bpf

  Your'e right Pete, it would have made sense to formalise the videos thing
but there is much more to it than that.

  Basically, Mik was shut down because he was selling the stuff. I think
Mik's a top fella but can understand the reasoning as it wasn't his stuff to
sell. Essentially he was selling studio recordings in the form of the videos
and it "could" be considered that this would be the same as if someone was
selling mp3s of the official recordings.

  Bootleg gigs are slightly different but its a very fine line.

  The best thing would have been to have git an official video /dvd together
and then close down Mik.

  --- "peter.west410" <peter.west410 at ntlworld.com> wrote:

  From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410 at ntlworld.com>
  Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:54:18 -0000
  To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
<gathering at misera.net>
  Subject: Re: RE: [kj] bpf

  Do you know the reasoning for the management banning Mik's site?
  He was nt making much money,selling a nominal amount.And there is no
  official release of these recordings.It would of benefited everyone if KJ
  would of bought Mik on board,Advertised the site as official and charged
10
  quid for a DVD.Everyone a winner.And I hope Mel never made an official
  complaint about money and got Mik shut down.................ooopppsssss Me
  and my big mouth.

  PW

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: <bernies at ntlworld.com>
  To: <gathering at misera.net>
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 3:40 PM
  Subject: RE: RE: [kj] bpf

  > No, that's just to do with bootlegging. It's difficult to see how Mik's
  videos would have affected sales of the legitimate product but let's not
  start that discussion again!
  > jerry
  > >
  > > From: "ade" <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
  > > Date: 2005/03/10 Thu PM 01:20:40 GMT
  > > To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'"
  <gathering at misera.net>
  > > Subject: RE: RE: [kj] bpf
  > >
  > > Cheers for that, j. The business of royalties, et al, has always been
  > > somewhat confusing to me. Now I get the idea behind publishing -
  probably
  > > why Mik Raven was asked to stop selling bootleg vids, etc.
  > >
  > > Hmmm...
  > >
  > >
  > > ade.
  > >
  > > -----Original Message-----
  > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
  > > [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of bernies at ntlworld.com
  > > Sent: 10 March 2005 10:47
  > > To: gathering at misera.net
  > > Subject: Re: RE: [kj] bpf
  > >
  > >
  > > None of the band probably get any royalties from their first ten years
  of
  > > record sales. Any royalties earned are used to pay back advances,
  recording
  > > and marketing costs before the band sees a penny. KJ's royalty rate,
in
  > > aggregate, is probably no more than 10% of the price the dealer pays
for
  the
  > > record and I doubt they've recouped what was spent on Outside the
Gate,
  let
  > > alone the previous six albums.
  > >
  > > I'm pretty sure, however, that they've recouped their publishing deal
  with
  > > E'G hence they should all be getting royalties from performances,
cover
  > > versions, etc.
  > >
  > > I don't suppose they'll ever see a penny from Jaz Summers, though.
  > >
  > > Any questions?
  > > j
  > > >
  > > > From: "ade" <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
  > > > Date: 2005/03/08 Tue PM 07:55:53 GMT
  > > > To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'"
  > > <gathering at misera.net>
  > > > Subject: RE: [kj] bpf
  > > >
  > > > bpfSo... Mike has morals enough to pay C4B royalties to BPF, but is
it
  the
  > > > case
  > > > that BPF gets no other royalties? For all those groundbreaking
albums
  he
  > > > played on & that sound he helped create?
  > > >
  > > > Smacks of a lesson learnt from Atkins!!!
  > > > -----Original Message-----
  > > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
  > > [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On
  > > > Behalf Of mike coles
  > > > Sent: 08 March 2005 19:32
  > > > To: gathering at misera.net
  > > > Subject: [kj] bpf
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > "As for Wardance, I'm sure Big Paul is still getting royalties...:
  > > >
  > > > No he isn't.
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > oh yes he is...
  > > > from malicious damage records for chaos for breakfast which has two
  > > > versions of wardance on it
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > cheers,
  > > > colesy
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