[kj] Sound a disgrace/it's the amps stupid

circuit bender circuit_bender at yahoo.com
Wed Mar 2 15:41:40 EST 2005


problem also is a lot of people still live in the land of rock, but bandwidths are considerably larger these days lol...this is a major issue in the states as most of the sound techs set everything around the geetar cock rock aesthetic....I've only met 2 decent soundguys since living in the states...
after reading half these mails there's more than just a problem with the amps here...
maybe they should get youth on the board...at least he knows what modern production sounds like! ;]

Neil Perry <neilfperry at btinternet.com> wrote:
Well said - although that was quite a depressing tale


--- fluwdot at earthlink.net wrote: 
> it is the marshall pre and power amps which is
> destroying the sound!!
> 
> 
> specifically marshalls are a very mid & upper mid
> biased amp and 
> those tones tend to muddy up things. marshalls are
> not known for 
> punch and clarity teh way burman's are. these
> frequencies pushed by 
> marshalls also tend to coax more feedback from
> geordie's harp.
> 
> his sound has been like this for fifteeen years and
> the marshalls 
> have been in the arse'nal for that period. the sound
> will never be 
> rich, clear, roaring and powerful until an amp
> designed for clean 
> power is used.
> 
> the burman amps had the most clean powerful punchy
> roar ever made and 
> this became the sound killing joke became known for.
> although they 
> are being made again http://www.burmanamp.co.uk/ 
> unfortunately, 
> (geordie's old burman's could be
> refurbished/rebuilt/redesigned) for 
> some reason geordie and the burman folks have not
> been able to 
> reestablished a relationship.
> 
> 
> before the 03 tour i passed geordie and raven gregg
> burman's email 
> and phone contacts. later as i spoke with gregg both
> on the phone and 
> via email, he mentioned that geordie and raven had
> contacted him and 
> would be coming up to newcastle for repairs and or
> new amps. it was 
> great news as we were hoping they could come
> together and fans would 
> be treated to the great clear powerful sound of pre
> 1990 joke. 
> geordie and raven where enthused to have reached
> contact with gregg 
> and were talking of things to come in terms of new
> amps for the tour, 
> likewise gregg was looking forward to the endeavour.
> alas, as i spoke 
> to raven and geordie on the 03 tour about burman,
> raven mentioned 
> sending an old burman he had just found to gregg for
> fixing, and was 
> hoping to use it for recording, that was good
> news...then i asked 
> geordie about his progress with burman, to which he
> replyed something 
> like "i talked to him a couple times and then he
> disappeared". anyway 
> geordie was in the process of snorting down a vodka
> tonic "the 
> stranger" just bought him and seemed annoyed so i
> didn't dig.
> 
> so....
> 
> it is possible all this occured before gregg had the
> full crew, parts 
> resources and tooling on board, so that may have had
> something to do 
> with it. what ever the reason it is very
> unfortunate. 
> 
> regardless, currently geordie could get his old amps
> primed and ready 
> to storm the world but i would venture to guess he
> may have lost 
> patience or something.
> 
> the 03 tour was a blast and killing joke was
> magnificent in many ways 
> but most often the sound was an atrocious mess of
> feedback and 
> inarticulate riffs coming from the harp and the
> venues were engulfed 
> in it from start to finish. from the accounts of the
> current gigs, 
> nothing has changed, possibly it's worse?! 
> 
> 
> 
> what's the point?
> 
> 
> 
> geordie's harp sound is the most important
> instrumental factor in the 
> killing joke
> sound yet it clearly isn't right 
> 
> 
> and that sucks dino cock
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2 Mar 2005 at 15:02, Phillipps Marc wrote:
> 
> >His tone comes across as being nothing special.
> Could just be me
> >being a
> snob, >but I think he's joined the lowest common
> denominator using
> Marshall kit...
> 
> He seemed to find something of the old tone with
> Murder Inc by using 
> a
> couple of Fender Bassmans (Bassmen?) . . 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ade [SMTP:ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 2:50 PM
> > To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> band!)'
> > Subject: RE: [kj] Sound a disgrace
> > 
> > His tone comes across as being nothing special.
> Could just be me
> > being a snob, but I think he's joined the lowest
> common denominator
> > using Marshall kit...
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
> > [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf
> Of Phillipps Marc
> > Sent: 02 March 2005 14:34 To: 'A list about all
> things Killing Joke
> > (the band!)' Subject: RE: [kj] Sound a disgrace
> > 
> > >Empire Song was great to hear, but it wasn't "a
> thousand orchestras
> > playing at 
> > >once".
> > 
> > Probably something to do with Geordies gear these
> days . . he should
> > get back to the Burmans! 
> > 
> > :o)
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jpwhkj at aol.com [SMTP:Jpwhkj at aol.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 2:26 PM
> > To: gathering at misera.net
> > Subject: Re: [kj] Sound a disgrace
> > 
> > I was down the front on Thursday, and had my ears
> well-plugged, so I
> > assumed the crap sound was thanks to that! But
> actually even on
> > Friday I thought the guitar sound was
> disappointing - Empire Song
> > was great to hear, but it wasn't "a thousand
> orchestras playing at
> > once".
> > 
> > Jamie
> > 
> > 
> > writes:
> > 
> > >Christ I'm glad it isn't just me who thought this
> -
> > >was beginning to think I was going mad
> > >N
> > >
> > >
> > > --- god botherer wrote: 
> > >> Thursday nights sound was an absolute disgrace.
> > >> Friday was a considerable improvement.
> > >> 
> > >> I found myself feeling quite resentful on
> Thursday
> > >> that they could get it so wrong after all these
> years. 
> > 
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